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Can you provide some details other then just 'because we like it'? That's not really explaining things at all. That's just an emotional defensive response with

Can you provide some details other then just 'because we like it'? That's not really explaining things at all. That's just an emotional defensive response with nothing to back it up.

royjacobs 5y ago
You seem to have a fairly combative tone, which I suggest you temper a little bit if you want to have an actual discussion. Having said that, since when is an emotional reason to use something not a valid reason? I mean, I don't like MacOS for a bunch of reasons that are probably unreasonable or emotional, but that's my right too.
Razengan 5y ago
Can you stop being obnoxious about other people’s preferences and just get on with your own shit if you’re so happy with it?
- grawprog 5y ago
  I asked a simple question and every single response has been emotionally driven and has provided no answers to my question other than 'don't judge my purchases.' I was genuinely curious as to what people actually saw in the UI, given this is HN. Instead, it's just Apple fan justification with nothing other than 'muh feelings.' I'm sorry you can't handle,that people question something you like and you can't actually explain why without getting all upset.
  - Razengan 5y ago
    > ’muh feelings.' See I had already pegged you as a low level troll before you blatantly exposed yourself as such and already gave you more time than your baits are worth. :)
    - grawprog 5y ago
      Yeah...I ask a question looking for objective reasons why people like something and a bunch of Apple fans lose their shit on me...aight... I got my answer...they don't wanna talk...they wanna yell about how you're wrong if you have an opinion that differs from theirs.
      - dang 5y ago
        Hey, could you please stop posting flamewar comments? It's not what this site is for, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. I don't want to ban you again - we unbanned you a while back and it has mostly worked out pretty well, but if you keep posting this sort of thing, we're not going to end up having much choice. On the other hand, these are great! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28176344 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28176344 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28136015 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28136015 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28129665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28129665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28124807 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28124807 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28118733 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28118733 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28104247 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28104247 It would be a shame for HN to lose contributions like that, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and be more mindful of the intended spirit of the site, we'd appreciate it.
contrast 5y ago
You should ask yourself whether, after posting the same accusatory rant time after time after time to strangers on the internet, people are going to conclude that you are providing the rational side of the argument.
- grawprog 5y ago
  I have not posted this rant before. You can search every comment i've made on HN I rarely comment on Apple products period because I don't own them. I was genuinely curious. I've learned my lesson. Never question Apple.
FullyFunctional 5y ago
I contributed to Linux 0.12 and used it ever since. Yet I mostly access Linux through Terminal on macOS. There are many reasons, and many of them subtle, the consistency and attention to UI detail, etc. I'm constant evaluating it, but I install Linux on _many_ devices, and every little thing that needs tweaking gets multiplied. Ubuntu for me is getting very good, but inconsistencies like C-M-v in the terminal but C-v in the browser, font handling, etc etc (I could really go on forever) is irritating enough and I don't have time to be an idealist (I did when I was much younger). The fundamental issue is "which Linux?". Apple sets a single standard and evolves actually fairly slowly over decades. There is a myriad of Linux desktop environments/distribution, but none have the man power and duration that Apple provides. Buy hey, Linux desktop in 2021 is so much better than it was in 2001, so there's hope.
- scns 5y ago
  > Which Linux? If i liked GNOME i'd choose Fedora. But since i prefer KDE i use openSUSE Tumbleweed.
Razengan 5y ago
Do you barge into people’s bedrooms and demand them to justify their choice of linen and wallpaper too? Does it bother you if their desk isn’t aligned with your internal feng shui? You’re the one coming in rambling about something just because “I don’t like it” and you expect people to donate their time to arguing with you?

Can you provide some details other then just 'because we like it'? That's not really explaining things at all. That's just an emotional defensive response with nothing to back it up.

royjacobs 5y ago

You seem to have a fairly combative tone, which I suggest you temper a little bit if you want to have an actual discussion. Having said that, since when is an emotional reason to use something not a valid reason? I mean, I don't like MacOS for a bunch of reasons that are probably unreasonable or emotional, but that's my right too.

Razengan 5y ago

Can you stop being obnoxious about other people’s preferences and just get on with your own shit if you’re so happy with it?

grawprog 5y ago
I asked a simple question and every single response has been emotionally driven and has provided no answers to my question other than 'don't judge my purchases.' I was genuinely curious as to what people actually saw in the UI, given this is HN. Instead, it's just Apple fan justification with nothing other than 'muh feelings.' I'm sorry you can't handle,that people question something you like and you can't actually explain why without getting all upset.
- Razengan 5y ago
  > ’muh feelings.' See I had already pegged you as a low level troll before you blatantly exposed yourself as such and already gave you more time than your baits are worth. :)
  - grawprog 5y ago
    Yeah...I ask a question looking for objective reasons why people like something and a bunch of Apple fans lose their shit on me...aight... I got my answer...they don't wanna talk...they wanna yell about how you're wrong if you have an opinion that differs from theirs.
    - dang 5y ago
      Hey, could you please stop posting flamewar comments? It's not what this site is for, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. I don't want to ban you again - we unbanned you a while back and it has mostly worked out pretty well, but if you keep posting this sort of thing, we're not going to end up having much choice. On the other hand, these are great! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28176344 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28176344 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28136015 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28136015 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28129665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28129665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28124807 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28124807 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28118733 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28118733 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28104247 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28104247 It would be a shame for HN to lose contributions like that, so if you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and be more mindful of the intended spirit of the site, we'd appreciate it.

contrast 5y ago

You should ask yourself whether, after posting the same accusatory rant time after time after time to strangers on the internet, people are going to conclude that you are providing the rational side of the argument.

grawprog 5y ago
I have not posted this rant before. You can search every comment i've made on HN I rarely comment on Apple products period because I don't own them. I was genuinely curious. I've learned my lesson. Never question Apple.

FullyFunctional 5y ago

I contributed to Linux 0.12 and used it ever since. Yet I mostly access Linux through Terminal on macOS. There are many reasons, and many of them subtle, the consistency and attention to UI detail, etc. I'm constant evaluating it, but I install Linux on _many_ devices, and every little thing that needs tweaking gets multiplied. Ubuntu for me is getting very good, but inconsistencies like C-M-v in the terminal but C-v in the browser, font handling, etc etc (I could really go on forever) is irritating enough and I don't have time to be an idealist (I did when I was much younger). The fundamental issue is "which Linux?". Apple sets a single standard and evolves actually fairly slowly over decades. There is a myriad of Linux desktop environments/distribution, but none have the man power and duration that Apple provides. Buy hey, Linux desktop in 2021 is so much better than it was in 2001, so there's hope.

scns 5y ago
> Which Linux? If i liked GNOME i'd choose Fedora. But since i prefer KDE i use openSUSE Tumbleweed.

Razengan 5y ago

Do you barge into people’s bedrooms and demand them to justify their choice of linen and wallpaper too? Does it bother you if their desk isn’t aligned with your internal feng shui? You’re the one coming in rambling about something just because “I don’t like it” and you expect people to donate their time to arguing with you?