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As long as most phones stop receiving security patches after 2-3 years the battery is not the limiting factor.

petre 5y ago
One of my relatives still has a Trimble GPS he used to measure fields, bundled with perfectly working Internet disconnected software. However, I can't find the Li-ion battery replacement for it so I gave him my >10y old Garmin eTrex device which uses AA batteries and still works fine. I was surprised that the old GPS layer was kept running. Regarding phones, there'salso third party firmware like LineageOS.
- adrianN 5y ago
  I also have an old etrex with AA batteries. It's a wonderful device. It supports OSM map data, so it's easy to update, the batteries last a week and you can buy replacements literally everywhere.
- throwaway81523 5y ago
  Find a battery of the same size or a little smaller and put it in. batteryjunction.com has a big selection. You might have to solder some wires on or similar. Adafruit.com has some with JST connectors which have a good chance of being what your GPS uses inside, but they don't have that wide a selection of cell sizes, so it's iffy. Anyway the first thing to do is open up your GPS and look at the cell. In the old days you could usually find a phone battery the right size on places like dx.com, but replacement phone batteries aren't that common any more.
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simion314 5y ago
A device should not be unusable even if is not blessed with some security fix, also regular users don't update the phones or CPUs because there is a theoretical security issue(even the Apple fanboys did not exploded now that they know Pegasus exits), probably security issues is a good news since you could maybe get control or your property.
- lmns 5y ago
  It's tricky, because most phones can't be flashed with an alternative aftermarket OS. I know that LineageOS etc. exist, but most phones don't have a stable build and a lot of SoCs will never work reliably with an aftermarket OS. In that case whoever will exploit your phone first is the one who owns it, not you.
  - simion314 5y ago
    Maybe I have an old laptop that still works and still has Windows XP on it, I fucking own it more then an iOS user owns his device. iOS can be at any moment "owned" by NSO, or by some infected app or malware in the Apple blessed store. It is a shame that security is a popular fetish now, not all bugs are exploitable and there are mitigation, you don't need to kill my device unless it was 100% exploited and it causes problems.
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- fulafel 5y ago
  Also an interesting question in context of the regulation discussion: whoever sold you the phone is responsible for addressing significant product defects according to consumer protection rules in most (?) countries in EU. So it could become a problem if the irreplaceable phone batteries didn't die about the same time as the security updates end.
  - simion314 5y ago
    That is stupid, old computers don't die when the OS gets out of date, I still have an XP laptop around and it works, also old Apple computers still work and nobody demanded Apple to provide security updates for old stuff.

One of my relatives still has a Trimble GPS he used to measure fields, bundled with perfectly working Internet disconnected software. However, I can't find the Li-ion battery replacement for it so I gave him my >10y old Garmin eTrex device which uses AA batteries and still works fine. I was surprised that the old GPS layer was kept running. Regarding phones, there'salso third party firmware like LineageOS.

adrianN 5y ago
I also have an old etrex with AA batteries. It's a wonderful device. It supports OSM map data, so it's easy to update, the batteries last a week and you can buy replacements literally everywhere.
throwaway81523 5y ago
Find a battery of the same size or a little smaller and put it in. batteryjunction.com has a big selection. You might have to solder some wires on or similar. Adafruit.com has some with JST connectors which have a good chance of being what your GPS uses inside, but they don't have that wide a selection of cell sizes, so it's iffy. Anyway the first thing to do is open up your GPS and look at the cell. In the old days you could usually find a phone battery the right size on places like dx.com, but replacement phone batteries aren't that common any more.
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simion314 5y ago

A device should not be unusable even if is not blessed with some security fix, also regular users don't update the phones or CPUs because there is a theoretical security issue(even the Apple fanboys did not exploded now that they know Pegasus exits), probably security issues is a good news since you could maybe get control or your property.

lmns 5y ago
It's tricky, because most phones can't be flashed with an alternative aftermarket OS. I know that LineageOS etc. exist, but most phones don't have a stable build and a lot of SoCs will never work reliably with an aftermarket OS. In that case whoever will exploit your phone first is the one who owns it, not you.
- simion314 5y ago
  Maybe I have an old laptop that still works and still has Windows XP on it, I fucking own it more then an iOS user owns his device. iOS can be at any moment "owned" by NSO, or by some infected app or malware in the Apple blessed store. It is a shame that security is a popular fetish now, not all bugs are exploitable and there are mitigation, you don't need to kill my device unless it was 100% exploited and it causes problems.
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fulafel 5y ago
Also an interesting question in context of the regulation discussion: whoever sold you the phone is responsible for addressing significant product defects according to consumer protection rules in most (?) countries in EU. So it could become a problem if the irreplaceable phone batteries didn't die about the same time as the security updates end.
- simion314 5y ago
  That is stupid, old computers don't die when the OS gets out of date, I still have an XP laptop around and it works, also old Apple computers still work and nobody demanded Apple to provide security updates for old stuff.