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AFAIK it is already like that in the EU. It's only North America where everyone uses one standard and Tesla uses another one.

fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
Except, historically, it was “Tesla had a nice slim cable and all the other manufacturers didn’t want to use it so they invented a monstrosity”: I’d be really unhappy having to use a CCS port with a Tesla, after the current plug.
- Robotbeat 5y ago
  Exactly this. The American CCS is terrible. The European Mennekes connector isn't so bad, supports pretty high 3 phase power (as well as split phase), and Tesla even figured out how to run like 120kW DC power through it. Something like that wouldn't be so bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_connector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_connector Really, we ought to just standardize on the Tesla plug as it can handle 250kW (perhaps upgrading it to allow higher voltage... gets you to 500kW). It's simply better (as long as we're not going to do 3 phase power anyway). Probably cheaper, too, as it's much smaller.
  - Hamuko 5y ago
    Doesn't Tesla already ship cars with Type 2 connectors? https://cdn.nettiauto.com/live/2021/03/10/9199ab21d7082c3d-large.jpg https://cdn.nettiauto.com/live/2021/03/10/9199ab21d7082c3d-l... https://cdn.nettiauto.com/live/2021/08/06/66c771a8155706d1-large.jpg https://cdn.nettiauto.com/live/2021/08/06/66c771a8155706d1-l...
    - Robotbeat 5y ago
      Yes, but the US Tesla plug is better.
      - Hamuko 5y ago
        How? And in what way does it make sense to make the connector that one manufacturer uses the standard one when you could make the connector that everyone, including that one specific manufacturer, uses the standard?
        fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
        Tesla’s plug is smaller than the Level 2 J1772 plug (not to mention the fast charging standards) and is able to handle both Level 2 and Level 3 charging. I’ve used both types of plugs, and Tesla’s is just much more elegant and better designed. It makes sense to standardize on Tesla’s plug because as far as I know Tesla built it before either of the other standards existed and Tesla was (and still is?) willing to let other manufacturers use the plug: I’ve never heard a good reason why the other manufacturers didn’t take up the Tesla plug and invest in the supercharger network when Elon invited them to.
        Hamuko 5y ago
        Doesn't CCS handle level 2 and level 3 charging as well? CCS can also do up to 350 kW charging. Tesla's plug being the first one doesn't make any sense when it comes to standardization. That's like saying that we should standardise on the Lightning connector instead of USB-C because it was the first one. The plug being smaller also doesn't really make sense. Are petrol cars superior since the nozzle is much smaller and more elegant than even the smallest EV plug? >I’ve never heard a good reason why the other manufacturers didn’t take up the Tesla plug and invest in the supercharger network when Elon invited them to. Why would the major car companies start investing into an unknown startup's supercharger network? It doesn't make business sense.
        estaseuropano 5y ago
        In no world did the Tesla charger come first. CCS was proposed in 2011, in development much longer. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System
- oblio 5y ago
  > Tesla had a nice slim cable and all the other manufacturers didn’t want to use it so they invented a monstrosity Didn't or couldn't? Especially due to some sneaky Tesla clause preventing use.
  - Nerdfest 5y ago
    I seem to remember Tesla opening up a bunch of patents. As a guess, that should be near the top of the list
    - smnrchrds 5y ago
      The terms of license under which the patents were opened up were full of poison pills no sane automaker would agree to. https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35030461/why-other-car-companies-dont-use-tesla-superchargers/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35030461/why-other-car-co...
dmitriid 5y ago
There are still chargers with various types. They are slowly converging onto Type2 / CCS, but it's still not a given.
- gambiting 5y ago
  Here in UK every single new station being built that I see is exclusively CCS. It really only affects Leaf owners as nothing else uses chademo standard.
perl4ever 5y ago
I keep looking at battery powered equipment like lawn mowers and every single one uses a proprietary battery. Is that the case in the EU?

fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago

Except, historically, it was “Tesla had a nice slim cable and all the other manufacturers didn’t want to use it so they invented a monstrosity”: I’d be really unhappy having to use a CCS port with a Tesla, after the current plug.

Robotbeat 5y ago
Exactly this. The American CCS is terrible. The European Mennekes connector isn't so bad, supports pretty high 3 phase power (as well as split phase), and Tesla even figured out how to run like 120kW DC power through it. Something like that wouldn't be so bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_connector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_2_connector Really, we ought to just standardize on the Tesla plug as it can handle 250kW (perhaps upgrading it to allow higher voltage... gets you to 500kW). It's simply better (as long as we're not going to do 3 phase power anyway). Probably cheaper, too, as it's much smaller.
- Hamuko 5y ago
  Doesn't Tesla already ship cars with Type 2 connectors? https://cdn.nettiauto.com/live/2021/03/10/9199ab21d7082c3d-large.jpg https://cdn.nettiauto.com/live/2021/03/10/9199ab21d7082c3d-l... https://cdn.nettiauto.com/live/2021/08/06/66c771a8155706d1-large.jpg https://cdn.nettiauto.com/live/2021/08/06/66c771a8155706d1-l...
  - Robotbeat 5y ago
    Yes, but the US Tesla plug is better.
    - Hamuko 5y ago
      How? And in what way does it make sense to make the connector that one manufacturer uses the standard one when you could make the connector that everyone, including that one specific manufacturer, uses the standard?
      - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
        Tesla’s plug is smaller than the Level 2 J1772 plug (not to mention the fast charging standards) and is able to handle both Level 2 and Level 3 charging. I’ve used both types of plugs, and Tesla’s is just much more elegant and better designed. It makes sense to standardize on Tesla’s plug because as far as I know Tesla built it before either of the other standards existed and Tesla was (and still is?) willing to let other manufacturers use the plug: I’ve never heard a good reason why the other manufacturers didn’t take up the Tesla plug and invest in the supercharger network when Elon invited them to.
        Hamuko 5y ago
        Doesn't CCS handle level 2 and level 3 charging as well? CCS can also do up to 350 kW charging. Tesla's plug being the first one doesn't make any sense when it comes to standardization. That's like saying that we should standardise on the Lightning connector instead of USB-C because it was the first one. The plug being smaller also doesn't really make sense. Are petrol cars superior since the nozzle is much smaller and more elegant than even the smallest EV plug? >I’ve never heard a good reason why the other manufacturers didn’t take up the Tesla plug and invest in the supercharger network when Elon invited them to. Why would the major car companies start investing into an unknown startup's supercharger network? It doesn't make business sense.
        estaseuropano 5y ago
        In no world did the Tesla charger come first. CCS was proposed in 2011, in development much longer. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System
oblio 5y ago
> Tesla had a nice slim cable and all the other manufacturers didn’t want to use it so they invented a monstrosity Didn't or couldn't? Especially due to some sneaky Tesla clause preventing use.
- Nerdfest 5y ago
  I seem to remember Tesla opening up a bunch of patents. As a guess, that should be near the top of the list
  - smnrchrds 5y ago
    The terms of license under which the patents were opened up were full of poison pills no sane automaker would agree to. https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35030461/why-other-car-companies-dont-use-tesla-superchargers/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35030461/why-other-car-co...

dmitriid 5y ago

There are still chargers with various types. They are slowly converging onto Type2 / CCS, but it's still not a given.

gambiting 5y ago
Here in UK every single new station being built that I see is exclusively CCS. It really only affects Leaf owners as nothing else uses chademo standard.

perl4ever 5y ago

I keep looking at battery powered equipment like lawn mowers and every single one uses a proprietary battery. Is that the case in the EU?