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> I don't trust them to manage the false positive rate. Let’s compare: — Apple’s market cap is more than twice of Facebook’s. — Apple’s user base is less tha
by strogonoff 5y ago
> I don't trust them to manage the false positive rate.
Let’s compare:
— Apple’s market cap is more than twice of Facebook’s.
— Apple’s user base is less than half of Facebook’s. Even fewer use iCloud Photos (and much fewer upload more than the free 5 GB, shared across photos and other content).
— Facebook is entirely made of UGC with no storage limit for a given user, and their moderators have to review every bit of content to ensure the gore is away from advertising targets’ eyeballs (and, indeed, report CSAM). Apple only needs to review images that trigger multiple hash matches occurring within the same account.
Considering the above, my intuition is that Apple’s NeuralHash would have to be completely broken for a company this size to not be able to afford enough moderators to manage the false positive rate. I sincerely doubt they are so inept, and I’d be willing to live with the potentiality of an Apple employee peeking at a photo of mine once a year (me using Apple tech already implies I trust them enough, as I’d never be able to personally verify every privacy claim they make).
What is worth screaming about, and what is eroding my trust, is the fact that since 2019 Apple’s ToS (quietly changed, presumably, to accommodate this feature currently in the news) give them carte blanche for pre-screening any content that they deem potentially illegal. Unless they tighten up that phrasing to limit it to CSAM only, they’re allowing it to be used as a political prosecution tool.
Edit: Factual error, iCloud Photos does have a free tier.
- roenxi 5y agoYour argument here seems to be that Apple is adopting privacy policies that can be favourably compared to Facebook, and have taken a step closer to how Facebook handles data. I don't disagree at all. That is the problem I see here. Anyone trusting Facebook with a level of access to their life comparable to a mobile phone is foolish. There is no way I would pay money for Facebook to control my phone.
- strogonoff 5y agoI only explained why I think the parent comment’s doubt about Apple’s capability to screen false positives is most likely unfounded.
- bradknowles 5y agoCapability != willingness If it costs them too much money to have too many people personally looking over every single positive hit to make sure it’s not false, then they’re not going to do it even if they technically could.
- strogonoff 5y agoYes, and I tried to summarize why I think the cost of hiring enough people for this particular job is extremely unlikely to be more than a rounding error for Apple.