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Sounds like it still comes down to trust. Quoting from the paper: "Apple will refuse all requests to add non-CSAM images to the perceptual CSAM hash database;

Sounds like it still comes down to trust. Quoting from the paper: "Apple will refuse all requests to add non-CSAM images to the perceptual CSAM hash database; third party auditors can confirm this through the process outlined before. Apple will also refuse all requests to instruct human reviewers to file reports for anything other than CSAM materials for accounts that exceed the match threshold."

celeritascelery 5y ago
To me, the fact that they are making such a strong statement is a big deal. If they had plans or thought that they would be forced to add other content they would not be so direct in this statement. I hope I am not wrong. As you said: trust.
0xy 5y ago
It's already a lie, considering NCMEC's database already has non-CSAM images. It won't ever be true, since the hundreds and possibly thousands of entities with direct and indirect access to the database can upload SunnyMeadow.jpg labeled as CSAM content, and it's blindly accepted. If Apple is receiving a hash labeled as "CSAM", how can they possibly make this guarantee? They do not know it's CSAM. It's unverifiable and comes down to "trust us". Remember, NCMEC is an unaccountable organisation inextricably linked with the FBI and the U.S. government. It is not subject to FOIA requests. Its database has never been audited, and it is known to be a mess already.
- simondotau 5y ago
  > "hundreds and possibly thousands of entities with direct and indirect access to the database can upload SunnyMeadow.jpg labeled as CSAM content, and it's blindly accepted." According to whom? > "it is known to be a mess already." According to whom? You've posted a number of claims about the CSAM database administration process on HN and the one instance where you've cited a source, it's been a junk source.

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Sounds like it still comes down to trust. Quoting from the paper: "Apple will refuse all requests to add non-CSAM images to the perceptual CSAM hash database;

by gandalfgeek 5y ago

celeritascelery 5y ago
To me, the fact that they are making such a strong statement is a big deal. If they had plans or thought that they would be forced to add other content they would not be so direct in this statement. I hope I am not wrong. As you said: trust.
0xy 5y ago
It's already a lie, considering NCMEC's database already has non-CSAM images. It won't ever be true, since the hundreds and possibly thousands of entities with direct and indirect access to the database can upload SunnyMeadow.jpg labeled as CSAM content, and it's blindly accepted. If Apple is receiving a hash labeled as "CSAM", how can they possibly make this guarantee? They do not know it's CSAM. It's unverifiable and comes down to "trust us". Remember, NCMEC is an unaccountable organisation inextricably linked with the FBI and the U.S. government. It is not subject to FOIA requests. Its database has never been audited, and it is known to be a mess already.
- simondotau 5y ago
  > "hundreds and possibly thousands of entities with direct and indirect access to the database can upload SunnyMeadow.jpg labeled as CSAM content, and it's blindly accepted." According to whom? > "it is known to be a mess already." According to whom? You've posted a number of claims about the CSAM database administration process on HN and the one instance where you've cited a source, it's been a junk source.