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I learned recently the term incel. It seems to have a bad connotation even though it describes something very human. I've long theorized that a lot of terrorism

by baby 5y ago

I learned recently the term incel. It seems to have a bad connotation even though it describes something very human. I've long theorized that a lot of terrorism would be gone if dudes would get laid. It's not for no reason that some groups promise hundreds of virgin women in heaven if you get killed in combat. Two interesting things from the point of view of someone who doesn't know much about the term incel, but: * I think technology is going to put a dent into this. It's easier and easier to meet someone else via apps like Tinder. * At the same time it's interesting that this "minority" found itself as a community thanks to social medias.

ch4s3 5y ago
> I've long theorized that a lot of terrorism would be gone if dudes would get laid. Daesh fighters often have/had multiple wives. Many of the 9/11 hijackers were married. The history of the IRA, and ETA are full of married dudes blowing up civilians. Only a very narrow type of mass murderer fits the incel mold.
- baby 5y ago
  Anecdotic but I remember watching a documentary in France about someone going undercover and meeting these terrorist wannabes. At some point they tried to get one of the guys to marry another girl he had never met, for the cause, perhaps to add more credibility or something. That scene was like that guy’s most beautiful day ever (from his pov). When I think of more organized jihadists, I also think about people fighting for a cause and blaming, rightly or wrongly, the US for a lot of the problems in the middle east. The ones that act within their own western countries seem to have become extremists for much more frustration-related reasons. My 2 cents.
WesleyHale 5y ago
I think technology made the problem worse. These guys get together and share their anecdotal stories about being rejected by women and it cements their world view. They get black pilled and feel it's out of their control. It is the opposite of a self-help group. If these guys actually wanted to improve, they'd go to the gym, fix their clothes, be more hygienic, hold themselves accountable and etc. Instead they all share their rejection stories and blame society for their problems. Eventually it comes to a head.
- baby 5y ago
  Are incels only about this more “redpill” group? Or is it more nuanced and it’s also about peaceful and self improvement groups as well?
  - WesleyHale 5y ago
    Short answer: Nuanced. Long answer: There are many "pills" for different mindsets, and I don't believe incels subscribe to any specific "pill" in their entirety. I don't have enough first hand experience with incel groups to say which is most prevalent, but I would assume it's a toss up between the red and black pill. These guys fault society and women for their problems instead of attempting to fix it themselves. Here are the main pills I've seen used online. Some have political connotations attached to them; White pill - Having hope and optimistic look on the future. You probably won't see this in incel communities. Black pill - Everything is out of my control, and I have no power over outcomes. Red pill - This is the most ambiguous of the "pills". It is about recognizing "how the world really is". This is a huge spectrum from "The media lies" to extreme racism. Sometimes it is also used to describe someone joining the Republican party. Blue pill - Believing main stream media narratives. Often used as a synonym for "ignorant" and "naive." Sometimes used to describe someone joining the Democratic party. Those are the main pills I've seen used online. There are more, and the ADL[1] has a decent breakdown of others that I won't go over here. Some of these I've never heard of and are NSFW. NSFW! [1] - https://www.adl.org/blog/the-extremist-medicine-cabinet-a-guide-to-online-pills https://www.adl.org/blog/the-extremist-medicine-cabinet-a-gu...
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BrandoElFollito 5y ago
Tinder for men is super complex. You have to be at least average to stand a chance. Their attractiveness puts them right into the "swap to reject" category.
- baby 5y ago
  I got hitched quickly after tinder became a thing, so haven’t had much time but it already helped me do some dates in a place where it was hard to get one. Lots of my friends have had lots of success with it while little to no success without. It really seems like a game changer.

by baby 5y ago

ch4s3 5y ago

> I've long theorized that a lot of terrorism would be gone if dudes would get laid. Daesh fighters often have/had multiple wives. Many of the 9/11 hijackers were married. The history of the IRA, and ETA are full of married dudes blowing up civilians. Only a very narrow type of mass murderer fits the incel mold.

baby 5y ago
Anecdotic but I remember watching a documentary in France about someone going undercover and meeting these terrorist wannabes. At some point they tried to get one of the guys to marry another girl he had never met, for the cause, perhaps to add more credibility or something. That scene was like that guy’s most beautiful day ever (from his pov). When I think of more organized jihadists, I also think about people fighting for a cause and blaming, rightly or wrongly, the US for a lot of the problems in the middle east. The ones that act within their own western countries seem to have become extremists for much more frustration-related reasons. My 2 cents.

WesleyHale 5y ago

I think technology made the problem worse. These guys get together and share their anecdotal stories about being rejected by women and it cements their world view. They get black pilled and feel it's out of their control. It is the opposite of a self-help group. If these guys actually wanted to improve, they'd go to the gym, fix their clothes, be more hygienic, hold themselves accountable and etc. Instead they all share their rejection stories and blame society for their problems. Eventually it comes to a head.

baby 5y ago
Are incels only about this more “redpill” group? Or is it more nuanced and it’s also about peaceful and self improvement groups as well?
- WesleyHale 5y ago
  Short answer: Nuanced. Long answer: There are many "pills" for different mindsets, and I don't believe incels subscribe to any specific "pill" in their entirety. I don't have enough first hand experience with incel groups to say which is most prevalent, but I would assume it's a toss up between the red and black pill. These guys fault society and women for their problems instead of attempting to fix it themselves. Here are the main pills I've seen used online. Some have political connotations attached to them; White pill - Having hope and optimistic look on the future. You probably won't see this in incel communities. Black pill - Everything is out of my control, and I have no power over outcomes. Red pill - This is the most ambiguous of the "pills". It is about recognizing "how the world really is". This is a huge spectrum from "The media lies" to extreme racism. Sometimes it is also used to describe someone joining the Republican party. Blue pill - Believing main stream media narratives. Often used as a synonym for "ignorant" and "naive." Sometimes used to describe someone joining the Democratic party. Those are the main pills I've seen used online. There are more, and the ADL[1] has a decent breakdown of others that I won't go over here. Some of these I've never heard of and are NSFW. NSFW! [1] - https://www.adl.org/blog/the-extremist-medicine-cabinet-a-guide-to-online-pills https://www.adl.org/blog/the-extremist-medicine-cabinet-a-gu...

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BrandoElFollito 5y ago

Tinder for men is super complex. You have to be at least average to stand a chance. Their attractiveness puts them right into the "swap to reject" category.

baby 5y ago
I got hitched quickly after tinder became a thing, so haven’t had much time but it already helped me do some dates in a place where it was hard to get one. Lots of my friends have had lots of success with it while little to no success without. It really seems like a game changer.