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From https://www.sellcell.com/blog/apple-privacy-survey/ https://www.sellcell.com/blog/apple-privacy-survey/ >A majority (72%) of iPhone & iPad users are aware

by mthoms 5y ago

From https://www.sellcell.com/blog/apple-privacy-survey/ https://www.sellcell.com/blog/apple-privacy-survey/ >A majority (72%) of iPhone & iPad users are aware of new privacy changes in recent software updates. When asked how well they understand Apple’s new privacy policies, these were the responses: Extremely well (13%), Very well (29%), Moderately well (21%), Slightly well (9%), and Not well at all (28%). Two in three (65%) users are “extremely” or “very” concerned about their activities being tracked as they use certain websites and apps, while only 14% said they were not at all concerned. And from https://www.androidauthority.com/android-app-tracking-transparency-poll-results-1222202/ https://www.androidauthority.com/android-app-tracking-transp... >You told us: You really want an Apple-like anti-app tracking feature on Android... Over 30,000 people voted in favor of an App Tracking Transparency feature on Android. People are becoming extremely conscious of online (and on-phone) privacy issues. Where have you been? Your statement "don't tell me you believe privacy was at the usual consumers mind when they bought their devices... this is ridiculous or you don't meet many normal users." is itself, ridiculous.

WA 5y ago
You just quote some survey stats. They are bullshit. What people want and what they say they want are two entirely different things. Small example: I run a small app. The number of GDPR-related requests is zero. The number of emails like "can my deleted account and deleted data still be recovered?" is like 1 per month or so. WhatsApp is also a good counter example. People want privacy, but what they want more is utility and network effects. Most people I know didn’t abandon WhatsApp despite numerous privacy mishaps and I think the same will happen here with Apple. This will blow over – unfortunately.
- mthoms 5y ago
  People don't care about privacy, got it. No one is quitting Facebook, no one is de-Googling their lives, installing privacy extensions/apps and making purchases based on privacy issues. The worlds largest online companies increasingly making privacy a priority in their marketing are all wrong. Got it. >Most people I know didn’t abandon WhatsApp despite numerous privacy mishaps I never said privacy was the top issue, trumping all else. You're absolutely correct that other issues like convenience and network effects are important.
Krasnol 5y ago
Besides the obvious and continuos popularity of apps with bad reputation in the privacy department, those surveys have all been made after the campaign was launched. The only thing it does is to show that the advertising message has been delivered. Nothing else.
- mthoms 5y ago
  So, the marketing is working and people are increasingly aware of privacy issues? In that case, would you say this statement: >don't tell me you believe privacy was at the usual consumers mind when they bought their devices... this is ridiculous or you don't meet many normal users. Is true or false? Because you seem to be contradicting yourself. Are people aware of privacy or not? Is the marketing working or not? I suspect you were trying to say that people weren't aware previously. Is that correct? Because I don't think anyone would disagree with that.

by mthoms 5y ago

WA 5y ago

You just quote some survey stats. They are bullshit. What people want and what they say they want are two entirely different things. Small example: I run a small app. The number of GDPR-related requests is zero. The number of emails like "can my deleted account and deleted data still be recovered?" is like 1 per month or so. WhatsApp is also a good counter example. People want privacy, but what they want more is utility and network effects. Most people I know didn’t abandon WhatsApp despite numerous privacy mishaps and I think the same will happen here with Apple. This will blow over – unfortunately.

mthoms 5y ago
People don't care about privacy, got it. No one is quitting Facebook, no one is de-Googling their lives, installing privacy extensions/apps and making purchases based on privacy issues. The worlds largest online companies increasingly making privacy a priority in their marketing are all wrong. Got it. >Most people I know didn’t abandon WhatsApp despite numerous privacy mishaps I never said privacy was the top issue, trumping all else. You're absolutely correct that other issues like convenience and network effects are important.

Krasnol 5y ago

Besides the obvious and continuos popularity of apps with bad reputation in the privacy department, those surveys have all been made after the campaign was launched. The only thing it does is to show that the advertising message has been delivered. Nothing else.

mthoms 5y ago
So, the marketing is working and people are increasingly aware of privacy issues? In that case, would you say this statement: >don't tell me you believe privacy was at the usual consumers mind when they bought their devices... this is ridiculous or you don't meet many normal users. Is true or false? Because you seem to be contradicting yourself. Are people aware of privacy or not? Is the marketing working or not? I suspect you were trying to say that people weren't aware previously. Is that correct? Because I don't think anyone would disagree with that.