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I'm very confused about your overall response. You can very much respect the local culture while smashing out and cultural practices. For example, key to cultu

I'm very confused about your overall response. You can very much respect the local culture while smashing out and cultural practices. For example, key to culture is language and so promoting local language is important. Likewise, the treatment of women in some middle East countries is oppressive and so promoting inclusion as an alternative (preferred) cultural norm is ideal. Same with child marriage.

dragontamer 5y ago
Why was the Taliban able to destroy libraries and century old Buddha statues and still get the respect of the locals?
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- fellellor 5y ago
  Because those actions are favourable to Allah. If there are those who don’t like Allah, then you get rid of those people. When all in the populace are worshippers of Allah, then actions favourable to Allah will bring you respect.
vimy 5y ago
You can’t change the treatment of women without changing the culture. I don’t think you understand how deeply embedded those values are. Values we consider barbaric are perfectly acceptable for the locals.
- mxmilkiib 5y ago
  Those in Rojava have apparently managed to do it.
  - vimy 5y ago
    The Kurds have a different culture. They are less fanatical with their religion.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> You can very much respect the local culture while smashing out and cultural practices. Know, you can't “smashing cultural practices” is not respecting local culture, its imposing your preferred alternative. I’m not saying its wrong in all cases, I’m saying you are engaging in doublethink of the highest order if you maintain that it is compatible with respecting the culture.
- colechristensen 5y ago
  Respect some things, don't respect other things... is not doublethink.
  - dragontamer 5y ago
    The Taliban literally bans music and engages in cultural genocides. Literally killing minority groups while destroying century old or millennia old artifacts and museums. It's doublethink to suggest that the Americans were in the wrong here. The Taliban are a powerful for with local support, but I hope that the temporary peace we offered the Afghani for the past few years will be remembered. We probably pushed too many of our values. We shouldn't have made a democracy or pushed women's rights as much. The bar was set to high. We should have been happy with simply the removal of the Taliban and laser focused upon that goal. Those rights that we believe in (but they don't) will be the first thing to fall. So pushing their morals in our image is just a mistake entirely. -------- The Taliban are a group that literally bans females from reading or using smartphones, and they get popular support from the people. At some point, we have to just admit that it's what their population prefers. And we are coming in talking about democracy and giving their mostly illiterate women the right to vote. Of course they won't like us.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Respect some things, don't respect other things... is not doublethink. Admitting that you are merely “respecting” the elements of the culture that don't conflict strongly with your cultural values but not the ones that do clash isn’t doublethink. Thinking that you are respecting the cultural as a whole while you campaign to eliminate the elements of it that offend your cultural values, however, is.

dragontamer 5y ago

Why was the Taliban able to destroy libraries and century old Buddha statues and still get the respect of the locals?

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fellellor 5y ago
Because those actions are favourable to Allah. If there are those who don’t like Allah, then you get rid of those people. When all in the populace are worshippers of Allah, then actions favourable to Allah will bring you respect.

vimy 5y ago

You can’t change the treatment of women without changing the culture. I don’t think you understand how deeply embedded those values are. Values we consider barbaric are perfectly acceptable for the locals.

mxmilkiib 5y ago
Those in Rojava have apparently managed to do it.
- vimy 5y ago
  The Kurds have a different culture. They are less fanatical with their religion.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> You can very much respect the local culture while smashing out and cultural practices. Know, you can't “smashing cultural practices” is not respecting local culture, its imposing your preferred alternative. I’m not saying its wrong in all cases, I’m saying you are engaging in doublethink of the highest order if you maintain that it is compatible with respecting the culture.

colechristensen 5y ago
Respect some things, don't respect other things... is not doublethink.
- dragontamer 5y ago
  The Taliban literally bans music and engages in cultural genocides. Literally killing minority groups while destroying century old or millennia old artifacts and museums. It's doublethink to suggest that the Americans were in the wrong here. The Taliban are a powerful for with local support, but I hope that the temporary peace we offered the Afghani for the past few years will be remembered. We probably pushed too many of our values. We shouldn't have made a democracy or pushed women's rights as much. The bar was set to high. We should have been happy with simply the removal of the Taliban and laser focused upon that goal. Those rights that we believe in (but they don't) will be the first thing to fall. So pushing their morals in our image is just a mistake entirely. -------- The Taliban are a group that literally bans females from reading or using smartphones, and they get popular support from the people. At some point, we have to just admit that it's what their population prefers. And we are coming in talking about democracy and giving their mostly illiterate women the right to vote. Of course they won't like us.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Respect some things, don't respect other things... is not doublethink. Admitting that you are merely “respecting” the elements of the culture that don't conflict strongly with your cultural values but not the ones that do clash isn’t doublethink. Thinking that you are respecting the cultural as a whole while you campaign to eliminate the elements of it that offend your cultural values, however, is.