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Integration between Apple devices makes the experience greater than the sum of its parts. If someone switches from iPhone they'll lose the ability to use iMessa

Integration between Apple devices makes the experience greater than the sum of its parts. If someone switches from iPhone they'll lose the ability to use iMessage on their phone, to receive SMS messages on their Mac, to sync Notes, Calendar, Photos, etc. That's why the alternatives are an order of magnitude worse for me.

godelski 5y ago
What? I can do all this without Apple. I mean I might have to browse photos.google.com instead of opening up my photos folder on my desktop but that's not meaningfully different. I have all these things between an Android phone and a linux computer. It may be in different locations than what Apple has them, but everything does sync if I want them to. I can even sync all these things without Google if I want to and have them go into the corresponding folders on my desktop. How is this an order of magnitude? The same services exist.
- laserlight 5y ago
  Have you used the Apple ecosystem? I haven't used others and I am telling you how it looks from my point of view. I will have to invest resources to discover the things you talk about. And there are lots of assumptions in the things you suggested, like that I am fine with using Google or Linux, or not using iMessage at all.
  - godelski 5y ago
    > Have you used the Apple ecosystem? Yes, and I've used it. I'll admit, it is nice. Apple is great about things "just working," but there are also costs to that feature. I'm not sure why people think this is the only way to have said convenience. The major difference is just that Apple this convenience is by default. Honestly Google provides most of this by default too. > I haven't used others and I am telling you how it looks from my point of view. And I've used both, and telling you how it is from my point of view. Stop having strong opinions about things that you admittedly don't have experience with. It isn't a good look. > I will have to invest resources to discover the things you talk about. You had to invest resources to adapt Apple's ecosystem. > And there are lots of assumptions in the things you suggested, like that I am fine with using Google or Linux, Well Google, Linux, Windows, and third party ROMs like Lineage are essentially the only other options out there, so I'm not sure I made many assumptions. And of the most popular, for phones your options are most likely to be Google (i.e. Android) or iOS. The only other option is... third party ROMs. I guess for desktop you could in fact develop your own (besides Linux or Windows), but I think this would fall under a third party custom ROM (if phone) or Linux (if computer). Then again, you could be a BSD person or someone that insists it is GNU/Linux. Let's be real, that's just pedantic, you know what I mean. I'm not going to name every alternative (that's impossible), especially since I covered by far the most popular ones, which share >90% of user share. Why do we have to be so pedantic? I don't know man, the more you're fighting against this the more it seems like you're just saying "I don't want to try something new." That's fine, but just be open about it. I get it, new things are scary, different, and require you to relearn some things. But that's a different argument. Just state that argument if that's what you're trying to say. Don't make me work for it. Just be honest.
    - laserlight 5y ago
      I am sorry that carrying this discussion won't be productive for me --- and looks like for you as well. I told that there were assumptions, and now there are more of them including the ones about my personality. I hope to have a better discussion in future.
arvinsim 5y ago
So sacrifice privacy on the altar of convenience?
- laserlight 5y ago
  I didn't say so.

godelski 5y ago

What? I can do all this without Apple. I mean I might have to browse photos.google.com instead of opening up my photos folder on my desktop but that's not meaningfully different. I have all these things between an Android phone and a linux computer. It may be in different locations than what Apple has them, but everything does sync if I want them to. I can even sync all these things without Google if I want to and have them go into the corresponding folders on my desktop. How is this an order of magnitude? The same services exist.

laserlight 5y ago
Have you used the Apple ecosystem? I haven't used others and I am telling you how it looks from my point of view. I will have to invest resources to discover the things you talk about. And there are lots of assumptions in the things you suggested, like that I am fine with using Google or Linux, or not using iMessage at all.
- godelski 5y ago
  > Have you used the Apple ecosystem? Yes, and I've used it. I'll admit, it is nice. Apple is great about things "just working," but there are also costs to that feature. I'm not sure why people think this is the only way to have said convenience. The major difference is just that Apple this convenience is by default. Honestly Google provides most of this by default too. > I haven't used others and I am telling you how it looks from my point of view. And I've used both, and telling you how it is from my point of view. Stop having strong opinions about things that you admittedly don't have experience with. It isn't a good look. > I will have to invest resources to discover the things you talk about. You had to invest resources to adapt Apple's ecosystem. > And there are lots of assumptions in the things you suggested, like that I am fine with using Google or Linux, Well Google, Linux, Windows, and third party ROMs like Lineage are essentially the only other options out there, so I'm not sure I made many assumptions. And of the most popular, for phones your options are most likely to be Google (i.e. Android) or iOS. The only other option is... third party ROMs. I guess for desktop you could in fact develop your own (besides Linux or Windows), but I think this would fall under a third party custom ROM (if phone) or Linux (if computer). Then again, you could be a BSD person or someone that insists it is GNU/Linux. Let's be real, that's just pedantic, you know what I mean. I'm not going to name every alternative (that's impossible), especially since I covered by far the most popular ones, which share >90% of user share. Why do we have to be so pedantic? I don't know man, the more you're fighting against this the more it seems like you're just saying "I don't want to try something new." That's fine, but just be open about it. I get it, new things are scary, different, and require you to relearn some things. But that's a different argument. Just state that argument if that's what you're trying to say. Don't make me work for it. Just be honest.
  - laserlight 5y ago
    I am sorry that carrying this discussion won't be productive for me --- and looks like for you as well. I told that there were assumptions, and now there are more of them including the ones about my personality. I hope to have a better discussion in future.

arvinsim 5y ago

So sacrifice privacy on the altar of convenience?

laserlight 5y ago
I didn't say so.