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So they're still retaining the ability to look on users devices? I have nothing against them looking at the abuse material, I have a problem with them having po

So they're still retaining the ability to look on users devices? I have nothing against them looking at the abuse material, I have a problem with them having power over my device, which could be piggy-backed on by state actors (or others) for their own purposes later. Nobody is against them trying to prevent child sexual abuse, pretty sure we all agree that fighting that is important, but doing so by creating what is essentially a back door of sorts into my devices isn't the right approach to doing so. It sounds to me that this is still allowing them that access, so this changes absolutely nothing.

dwighttk 5y ago
Don’t use iCloud photos
- thoughtstheseus 5y ago
  Don’t use Apple products. The scanning is on device.
  - uninformedhn 5y ago
    ...if you use iCloud Photos. How is it day 47 of HN arguing about this and you all still can’t get basic facts right, and oh boy, you showed me downvoting me twice in 60 seconds for pointing out a lack of fundamental comprehension of what you’re actually upset about This community is obnoxious
- wilkystyle 5y ago
  This is as unhelpful as saying "don't have CSAM on your phone." As has been reiterated many times, the problem is not the capability it is claimed to start off with, it is how the capability will be evolved, abused, and exploited as time goes on.
  - dwighttk 5y ago
    I mean, don’t do that either, but the venn diagram circles of those two statements are not identical.
- justinzollars 5y ago
  You need to read what they are doing. It's on-device scanning. You have no privacy or choice. May as well have a Facebook Phone.
  - dwighttk 5y ago
    You need to read what they are doing. Yes it is on device But it is only done to photos uploaded to the cloud.
    - profitthrowaway 5y ago
      If they only intended to scan iCloud photos, then they would’ve done it on the server (since they have encryption keys) instead of installing spyware on everybody’s iPhone. If they had done that then there would’ve been little to no outrage since people wouldn’t need to worry as they could just turn off iCloud. What do you think will happen when e.g. the Chinese government demand that they scan all photos for hashes provided by the government, upload them regardless of whether iCloud is enabled, and let a Chinese company handle the reviews? If they couldn’t stop the CCP from gaining full control of iCloud in China then they most definitely can’t prevent this either.. and other authoritarian governments will copy the CCP and make similar demands.
      - dwighttk 5y ago
        Or they are trying to get rid of having encryption keys…
        profitthrowaway 5y ago
        Makes zero sense. Installing spyware and compromising everybody’s iPhone does a million times more harm than whatever governments can achieve with complete access to people’s iCloud account. At least before we could protect our privacy by turning off all iCloud sync, but now your only option is to switch away from iOS.
- deleted 5y ago
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pcurve 5y ago
Yeah, all they need to do is follow suit with what everybody else is doing and scan once images are uploaded onto iCloud. Scan every single file. I don't care. Because once in iCloud, files are sitting on Apple's server and hard drives. I don't have much expectation that those files are 100% private. They're completely missing the point.

dwighttk 5y ago

Don’t use iCloud photos

thoughtstheseus 5y ago
Don’t use Apple products. The scanning is on device.
- uninformedhn 5y ago
  ...if you use iCloud Photos. How is it day 47 of HN arguing about this and you all still can’t get basic facts right, and oh boy, you showed me downvoting me twice in 60 seconds for pointing out a lack of fundamental comprehension of what you’re actually upset about This community is obnoxious
wilkystyle 5y ago
This is as unhelpful as saying "don't have CSAM on your phone." As has been reiterated many times, the problem is not the capability it is claimed to start off with, it is how the capability will be evolved, abused, and exploited as time goes on.
- dwighttk 5y ago
  I mean, don’t do that either, but the venn diagram circles of those two statements are not identical.
justinzollars 5y ago
You need to read what they are doing. It's on-device scanning. You have no privacy or choice. May as well have a Facebook Phone.
- dwighttk 5y ago
  You need to read what they are doing. Yes it is on device But it is only done to photos uploaded to the cloud.
  - profitthrowaway 5y ago
    If they only intended to scan iCloud photos, then they would’ve done it on the server (since they have encryption keys) instead of installing spyware on everybody’s iPhone. If they had done that then there would’ve been little to no outrage since people wouldn’t need to worry as they could just turn off iCloud. What do you think will happen when e.g. the Chinese government demand that they scan all photos for hashes provided by the government, upload them regardless of whether iCloud is enabled, and let a Chinese company handle the reviews? If they couldn’t stop the CCP from gaining full control of iCloud in China then they most definitely can’t prevent this either.. and other authoritarian governments will copy the CCP and make similar demands.
    - dwighttk 5y ago
      Or they are trying to get rid of having encryption keys…
      - profitthrowaway 5y ago
        Makes zero sense. Installing spyware and compromising everybody’s iPhone does a million times more harm than whatever governments can achieve with complete access to people’s iCloud account. At least before we could protect our privacy by turning off all iCloud sync, but now your only option is to switch away from iOS.
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pcurve 5y ago

Yeah, all they need to do is follow suit with what everybody else is doing and scan once images are uploaded onto iCloud. Scan every single file. I don't care. Because once in iCloud, files are sitting on Apple's server and hard drives. I don't have much expectation that those files are 100% private. They're completely missing the point.