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No one is going to argue that Trump is a great orator or that he doesn't gaffe or that every single thing that comes out of his mouth ought to be taken at face
by iammisc 5y ago
No one is going to argue that Trump is a great orator or that he doesn't gaffe or that every single thing that comes out of his mouth ought to be taken at face value (Are you kidding me... do you believe this is true of any politician? Look at what happened with Cuomo after months of media adulation and an emmy....)
In the case of the lab leak theory, Trump was always extremely clear that he thought it a possibility and that he did not necessarily think it was a bioweapon. I can see that you are uninterested in engaging in good faith, because instead of keeping the debate to what it was about (the lab leak theory) you're changing the goalposts (demanding that everything he say be absolutely clear and never wrong or stupid, apparently in contrast to every other president before him [1]).
Lots of presidents speak poorly on certain issues, make stupid statements that they later have to cover up and retract, or cause confusion. That doesn't make them wrong on the issues they do speak clearly on.
> Would seem to "indicate" that you're not exactly the most reasonable person to have any discussion in good faith to begin with.
Oh please... downvoting someone who is giving you evidence of exactly what was said without a response indicates that those downvoting are only interested in ignoring reality.
[1] If I recall correctly, one of the most popular presidents of all time got up on stage and actually told the American public that accusations against him literally depend on 'what the meaning of the word is is'... come on, this is the most demanding and insane standard to expect of any American leader.
- s5300 5y ago> I can see that you are uninterested in engaging in good faith, because instead of keeping the debate to what it was about (the lab leak theory) you're changing the goalposts (demanding that everything he say be absolutely clear and never wrong or stupid, apparently in contrast to every other president before him [1]). No, a third grader can easily explain to you why when somebody has a long and detailed history of being completely and utterly full of shit, whatever they say going forward will barely be considered to be not full of shit, for whatever roundabout reasons and circumstances. >are only interested in ignoring reality. You're trolling on HN. Stop trolling on HN.
- iammisc 5y agoI have no interest in provoking a reaction from you (trolling), I'm just pointing out that all administrations say stupid things, and that's not a good reason to dismiss the correct things they say or to deny it without consideration. I honestly don't understand why this is controversial. Instead of an explanation as to why any administration's claims ought to be dismissed out of hand, I am being accused of breaking site rules. It seems to me, that by downvoting and then accusing me of breaking site rules, you're trying to make me react. Isn't that also trolling? At no point did I ask for your comments or try to 'bait' you into making them. Have a great day!