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>First, in some religions (and some denominations of Christianity) God exists outside of the framework of logical necessity. This is simply an escape hatch, if

>First, in some religions (and some denominations of Christianity) God exists outside of the framework of logical necessity. This is simply an escape hatch, if it can't be explained, it's because it's magic. Gods follow no logic do what you're told even if it makes no logical sense because there is no logic to be found. There is no room for debate here, you can't use reason, there is nothing further to discuss. >That's because you're not God to your program, but merely a human that developed it. So you can't both make it and give it free will (among lots of other limitations, like not being able to make water wine at will). Even more so the blame goes to God not his creations since he created everything including free will and the choices. Blaming your creations playing in the sandbox you created with the sand you created is a nonsensical blame game with yourself.

mistermann 5y ago
> This is simply an escape hatch It is an escape hatch, but is it simply an escape hatch? Is a whale simply a mammal? > if it can't be explained, it's because it's magic. More or less, as I understand it. > do what you're told even if it makes no logical sense because there is no logic to be found. There is no room for debate here, you can't use reason, there is nothing further to discuss. These are your words, not his. > Even more so the blame goes to God not his creations since he created everything including free will and the choices. Could be. > Blaming your creations playing in the sandbox you created with the sand you created is a nonsensical blame game with yourself. Is God himself doing this, or are you imagining God is doing this? You don't seem to even believe in Him.
coldtea 5y ago
>This is simply an escape hatch, if it can't be explained, it's because it's magic. So? It is what it is, and you can take it or leave it. There are plenty other things we can't explain at the moment, millions of things we couldn't explain in the past, tons of things we would not have explained before the demise of humanity, and some we can never get at as they're not testable (even in physics theories). That doesn't mean they can't and don't nevertheless hold (or, many of them, not hold). Just because we're confined to the visible spectrum as a specieis doesn't mean information outside of it doesn't exist (and would exist even if we never had developed the ability to make infrared and other such sensors). Or, just because we're confined to 4 dimensions, doesn't mean the universe doesn't have instead, say, 10. Similarly, just because we have an a-priori (in the Kantian sense) restriction to understand the world based on logic, doesn't mean the universe (in the general sense, including any metaphysical entity might be) is also likewise constrained. >Gods follow no logic do what you're told even if it makes no logical sense because there is no logic to be found. There is no room for debate here, you can't use reason, there is nothing further to discuss. Well, apparently, given thousands upon thousands of volumes of theology (not to mention sacred texts) there is still plenty to discuss. Also, within the doctrine that God gave people free will, this "do what you're told" doesn't hold. The reverse is implied, that he gave that precisely so we might also opt not to do as we're told.

mistermann 5y ago

> This is simply an escape hatch It is an escape hatch, but is it simply an escape hatch? Is a whale simply a mammal? > if it can't be explained, it's because it's magic. More or less, as I understand it. > do what you're told even if it makes no logical sense because there is no logic to be found. There is no room for debate here, you can't use reason, there is nothing further to discuss. These are your words, not his. > Even more so the blame goes to God not his creations since he created everything including free will and the choices. Could be. > Blaming your creations playing in the sandbox you created with the sand you created is a nonsensical blame game with yourself. Is God himself doing this, or are you imagining God is doing this? You don't seem to even believe in Him.

coldtea 5y ago

>This is simply an escape hatch, if it can't be explained, it's because it's magic. So? It is what it is, and you can take it or leave it. There are plenty other things we can't explain at the moment, millions of things we couldn't explain in the past, tons of things we would not have explained before the demise of humanity, and some we can never get at as they're not testable (even in physics theories). That doesn't mean they can't and don't nevertheless hold (or, many of them, not hold). Just because we're confined to the visible spectrum as a specieis doesn't mean information outside of it doesn't exist (and would exist even if we never had developed the ability to make infrared and other such sensors). Or, just because we're confined to 4 dimensions, doesn't mean the universe doesn't have instead, say, 10. Similarly, just because we have an a-priori (in the Kantian sense) restriction to understand the world based on logic, doesn't mean the universe (in the general sense, including any metaphysical entity might be) is also likewise constrained. >Gods follow no logic do what you're told even if it makes no logical sense because there is no logic to be found. There is no room for debate here, you can't use reason, there is nothing further to discuss. Well, apparently, given thousands upon thousands of volumes of theology (not to mention sacred texts) there is still plenty to discuss. Also, within the doctrine that God gave people free will, this "do what you're told" doesn't hold. The reverse is implied, that he gave that precisely so we might also opt not to do as we're told.