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I don't understand how correcting a factually incorrect statement and providing sources is considered against the guidelines. This response was immediately flag

I don't understand how correcting a factually incorrect statement and providing sources is considered against the guidelines. This response was immediately flagged as an example, and it does not break guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28171744 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28171744 If the rule is not to reply so as to not start a flamewar, what you're allowing is whomever can lie and narrative shape the fastest wins as there's no room to reply. That's not a good precedent to set. I agree some of my later posts did not confirm to the guidelines. Frustrated posting and I can no longer delete them.

dang 5y ago
"Factually correct/incorrect" is a red herring—there are infinitely many facts. They don't select themselves; humans do that, and humans have agendas. There are also infinitely many ways to present the same facts. Some break the site guidelines and some don't. Please choose ways that don't. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20infinitely%20many%20facts&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
- notathrowaway6 5y ago
  That's like saying the there are infinite real numbers so the answers to equations are meaningless. It is an objective truth that the Taliban partakes in the sexual abuse of children. Saying that the Taliban does not partake in the sexual abuse of children is making an objectively false statement an abhorrent one that stands to be correctly. I appreciate the back and forth, but this entire experience has scared me. I'm not sure what to make of future discourse here.
  - dang 5y ago
    It's not in the least like saying that. It's saying that these are not the same thing: 1. a comment includes facts; 2. a comment is within the site guidelines. #2 is the important thing. Bringing up #1 in response to being told that you've broken the site guidelines is a red herring. It's also the most beloved tactic of trolls, hands-down. Following the HN guidelines is not hard if you choose to. Please stop using HN primarily for ideological and political battle. We don't care what flavor you favor; we care about having an internet forum that doesn't burn itself to a crisp. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20scorched%20earth&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
    - truth_hurts_0x1 5y ago
      Now any and all posts I try to make are getting auto [dead]. I tried to make an account to stick with without throwaways and the comments are getting autoflagged.
      - dang 5y ago
        You've made dozens of HN accounts (if not hundreds by now) , most of which have been breaking the site guidelines badly. That's way beyond the pale, and the bulk of this community would be appalled if they knew about it. If you've had a change of heart and genuinely want to use HN as intended, we'll be happy to help you out. Here's one way to do that: (1) pick a username you want to stick with (without any trollishness like "truth hurts", etc.), and use only that account going forward; (2) post comments that stick to the site guidelines; (3) email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll review the comments and restore the comments that stick to the site guidelines. If that pattern becomes consistent, we'll be happy to remove any restrictions on your account.
        truth_hurts_0x1 5y ago
        You must have me confused with another user or multiple users from this IP range. There's no way I've made hundreds of accounts here. That's madness. There are probably other users in this IP range that are [dead] now. I will take your advice and make another account from a different IP range and start new and within guidelines. Probably won't deal with [dead] there. Or should I try to use the unban feature for this IP?
        dang 5y ago
        Like I said, I'm happy to help—we're always happy to welcome any user who sincerely wants to follow the guidelines and use HN as intended going forward—but just to be clear, you'll need to follow all the steps in my previous comment for that to reliably work. Particularly step 3.

dang 5y ago

"Factually correct/incorrect" is a red herring—there are infinitely many facts. They don't select themselves; humans do that, and humans have agendas. There are also infinitely many ways to present the same facts. Some break the site guidelines and some don't. Please choose ways that don't. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20infinitely%20many%20facts&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

notathrowaway6 5y ago
That's like saying the there are infinite real numbers so the answers to equations are meaningless. It is an objective truth that the Taliban partakes in the sexual abuse of children. Saying that the Taliban does not partake in the sexual abuse of children is making an objectively false statement an abhorrent one that stands to be correctly. I appreciate the back and forth, but this entire experience has scared me. I'm not sure what to make of future discourse here.
- dang 5y ago
  It's not in the least like saying that. It's saying that these are not the same thing: 1. a comment includes facts; 2. a comment is within the site guidelines. #2 is the important thing. Bringing up #1 in response to being told that you've broken the site guidelines is a red herring. It's also the most beloved tactic of trolls, hands-down. Following the HN guidelines is not hard if you choose to. Please stop using HN primarily for ideological and political battle. We don't care what flavor you favor; we care about having an internet forum that doesn't burn itself to a crisp. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20scorched%20earth&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
  - truth_hurts_0x1 5y ago
    Now any and all posts I try to make are getting auto [dead]. I tried to make an account to stick with without throwaways and the comments are getting autoflagged.
    - dang 5y ago
      You've made dozens of HN accounts (if not hundreds by now) , most of which have been breaking the site guidelines badly. That's way beyond the pale, and the bulk of this community would be appalled if they knew about it. If you've had a change of heart and genuinely want to use HN as intended, we'll be happy to help you out. Here's one way to do that: (1) pick a username you want to stick with (without any trollishness like "truth hurts", etc.), and use only that account going forward; (2) post comments that stick to the site guidelines; (3) email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll review the comments and restore the comments that stick to the site guidelines. If that pattern becomes consistent, we'll be happy to remove any restrictions on your account.
      - truth_hurts_0x1 5y ago
        You must have me confused with another user or multiple users from this IP range. There's no way I've made hundreds of accounts here. That's madness. There are probably other users in this IP range that are [dead] now. I will take your advice and make another account from a different IP range and start new and within guidelines. Probably won't deal with [dead] there. Or should I try to use the unban feature for this IP?
        dang 5y ago
        Like I said, I'm happy to help—we're always happy to welcome any user who sincerely wants to follow the guidelines and use HN as intended going forward—but just to be clear, you'll need to follow all the steps in my previous comment for that to reliably work. Particularly step 3.