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Apple for what They wanted and what they needed. Each year Facebook scans and flags tens of thousands of pictures with child pornography the majority of which g

Apple for what They wanted and what they needed. Each year Facebook scans and flags tens of thousands of pictures with child pornography the majority of which got to Facebook through an iPhone. Apple flags less then a hundred each year. There is definately pressure politically for Apple to do more. So what do they need? A thousand mainstream news articles explaining a massive backlash to them doing any sort of scanning on their devices from across the globe. They can stand back and say “we just can’t do anything, the users won’t have it” while Facebook keeps drowning in political pressure while doing a thousand times better than Apple.

cwkoss 5y ago
Companies transferring encrypted data are not responsible for its contents. Full stop. Apple shouldn't do anything, because their duty is to report the CSAM that is visible to them and no private data should be visible to them. Facebook has those images in the clear. They aren't doing "a thousand times better", they have an infinite amount more unencrypted images. This is a reductive apples to oranges comparison that misleads anyone who reads it. Would you similarly argue that the postal service needs to open every letter and inspect it to ensure there aren't photos of child porn contained within? Should uber drivers be required to search every passenger and their bags for child porn? NO! Because that's private, and we respect privacy in this country.
- boublepop 5y ago
  > Companies transferring encrypted data are not responsible for its contents. Full stop. Come on and be honest, do you really thing anyone, no matter if they where a cs PhD or a primary school dropout would share the opinion that an app that knowingly provided communications services to al qaeda during planning and execution of 9/11 could excuse themselves with “well the traffic was encrypted so w didn’t do anything wrong” You cannot completely ignore the fact that bot ethics and politics are human construct and while we have “free speech” that does not in any way mean that you are free to speak anything free from consequences or free from judgement.
- boublepop 5y ago
  > Would you similarly argue that the postal service needs to open every letter and inspect it to ensure there aren't photos of child porn contained within? The reason that isn’t done has nothing to do with law or ethics, it’s purely not done because it is impractical. In countries where it’s illegal to mail currency, all letters carrying currency are intercepted, because it’s easy to do. I for one would not for one second mind if they had a machine that made a sound if a letter carrying cp went through was used to intercept cp. Would you really be against this?

cwkoss 5y ago

Companies transferring encrypted data are not responsible for its contents. Full stop. Apple shouldn't do anything, because their duty is to report the CSAM that is visible to them and no private data should be visible to them. Facebook has those images in the clear. They aren't doing "a thousand times better", they have an infinite amount more unencrypted images. This is a reductive apples to oranges comparison that misleads anyone who reads it. Would you similarly argue that the postal service needs to open every letter and inspect it to ensure there aren't photos of child porn contained within? Should uber drivers be required to search every passenger and their bags for child porn? NO! Because that's private, and we respect privacy in this country.

boublepop 5y ago
> Companies transferring encrypted data are not responsible for its contents. Full stop. Come on and be honest, do you really thing anyone, no matter if they where a cs PhD or a primary school dropout would share the opinion that an app that knowingly provided communications services to al qaeda during planning and execution of 9/11 could excuse themselves with “well the traffic was encrypted so w didn’t do anything wrong” You cannot completely ignore the fact that bot ethics and politics are human construct and while we have “free speech” that does not in any way mean that you are free to speak anything free from consequences or free from judgement.
boublepop 5y ago
> Would you similarly argue that the postal service needs to open every letter and inspect it to ensure there aren't photos of child porn contained within? The reason that isn’t done has nothing to do with law or ethics, it’s purely not done because it is impractical. In countries where it’s illegal to mail currency, all letters carrying currency are intercepted, because it’s easy to do. I for one would not for one second mind if they had a machine that made a sound if a letter carrying cp went through was used to intercept cp. Would you really be against this?