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It is part of the device, and this specific part is being scanned. Can I physically remove this “checking” part and end up with a working iDevice D that resembl
by zekrioca 5y ago
It is part of the device, and this specific part is being scanned. Can I physically remove this “checking” part and end up with a working iDevice D that resembles D = {{Device \ {/iCloud/Photo Library}}?
Frame it the way you want. It is the device.
- zepto 5y agoThe checking is being done on the device. Nobody disputes that. Indeed it is being marketed by Apple as a feature. Yes, this feature is part of the device. If you say Apple is scanning the device, you are lying. They are not scanning the device. They are scanning photos chosen for upload.
- zekrioca 5y agoAnother commenter put it in better terms, so you may understand it: Suppose we know there are people who smuggle drugs on airplanes on their person for the purpose of something terrible, like addicting children or poisoning people. If I run an airport I could say: to stop this, I'm going to subject everyone who flies out of my airport to a body-cavity search. Tim, and Craig, are you OK with this? If I can say, "Don't worry! We have created this great robots that ensure the body cavity searches are gentle and the minimum needed to check for illegal drugs," does it really change anything to make it more acceptable to you?
- zepto 5y agoI haven’t said anything about what is acceptable. I was just pointing out a falsehood you wrote about what is actually being done.
- zekrioca 5y agoNo falsehoods, it is the device, even though it is only a specific part of it. I know you got the point I tried (or rather, the other commenter) to make about the part of someone's body meaning "the whole" of a person. Same philosophical view can be applied to the device. Anyway, someone in here can accept what the other can't, so let's leave at that and let history tells.
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- zepto 5y agoIt’s a lie to say they are scanning the device, when you know that are only scanning files that are uploaded. We know now that you understand both this distinction and what Apple is actually doing, so it’s clear that you were lying.
- jodrellblank 5y agoChrome safe browsing feature shows a warning if you browse to a URL which Google have flagged as hosting known malware. If you described this as "Google blocks your device from connecting to servers that don't have their approval" would the listener get an accurate understanding of what was and was not happening? If Chrome scanned downloaded files for viruses and you described that to someone as "scans your computer for viruses" do you think the listener would come away with an accurate understanding of what was happening and accurate understanding of what they were and were not being protected from? If BestBuy GeekSquad offered a service to "check your device for problems" and all they did was open your photo collection, would you walk away arguing that it proves the screen and mouse and CPU and disk must function and nobody could expect them to do any more than that, service provided, full marks, that's "the device" checked? Or would you hope that "checking the device for problems" might involve at least exercising all the major features like speakers, wifi, bluetooth, at least once, and preferably with stress and thermal tests? When the TSA ask you to switch your device on to demonstrate that it's not a bomb, are you on the side of "if the screen lights up, the device is thoroughly and effectively tested and cannot contain anything else" or on the side of "an attacker could make up many ways to make the screen glow while hollowing out the insides, this does not really demonstrate that 'the device' is safe"?
- jodrellblank 5y agoThey're not misunderstanding it; you're deliberately using an inaccurate description to mislead people while trying to hide behind "technically not lying", and they're calling you out on it.
- zekrioca 5y agoAm I, though? Is Apple? Is parent's? It seems "their" (whoever you meant) interpretation of what does and doesn't constitute something is looser than my interpretation.
- zepto 5y agoYou said Apple was scanning the device. They aren’t. This is what you are being called out on.
- zekrioca 5y agoA-ha, so you meant that the device is scanning itself, and not Apple? Clever, very clever technicality.
- jodrellblank 5y agoWhat you're doing is changing "Two Americans run their homes on solar panels" into "American homes run on solar panels" with the intent of fudging the quantity so that readers assume it means most or all of them, while being able to argue "they are American homes, plural, so it's correct". "Device scans photos" and "Apple scans device" imply two very different things about how much is scanned, and you're using the latter because you know that if you describe it accurately readers won't be as panicked as you want them to be.
- zekrioca 5y agoSure buddy, that’s exactly my point, how would you figure? I do not miss the forest for the trees though.
- nix23 5y agoAnd expand that "feature" in the future. >They are scanning photos chosen for upload That's pretty much scanning on the device.
- zepto 5y agoYes, scanning is happening on the device. Apple markets that as a feature. That is different from scanning the device. Saying they are ‘scanning the device’ is a lie. Yes, Apple could scan the device in future. It’s still a lie to say they are doing it now.
- nix23 5y agoThey want to expand that "feature" to 3rd party apps too. >Yes, Apple could scan the device in future. It’s still a lie to say they are doing it now. Puh..i am relieved now...wait i don't even have a apple product. EDIT: For Question below https://technokilo.com/apple-child-safety-feature-third-party-apps/ https://technokilo.com/apple-child-safety-feature-third-part... >Apple didn’t announce any timeframe about when will they implement child safety features in third-party apps. Apple said that they still have to complete testing of child features and ensure that the use of this feature in third-party apps will not bring any privacy harm
- zepto 5y ago> They want to expand that "feature" to 3rd party apps too. Do they? Where have they said that?
- stale2002 5y agoSo then they are scanning photos on your device. I'd call that photo scanning... and they are scanning the photos on the device.
- zepto 5y agoYes, Apple would agree with you, but I assume you would not call it ‘scanning the device’.
- RussianCow 5y agoAt what point would you consider it "scanning the device"? What if they start scanning messages? Browsing history? Downloads? Where do you draw the line?
- zepto 5y agoDo you think they are scanning the device, or just the photos being uploaded? This isn’t some ambiguous case that needs to be addressed philosophically. They aren’t scanning anything other than the photos being uploaded.
- RussianCow 5y agoI don't think the distinction matters.
- zepto 5y agoWhy not? Don’t you think people should understand the difference?
- stale2002 5y agoPeople do understand the difference. It is only you who seem to be confused about the easily understand words that's people are using. When people say that the device is being scanned for pictures, they know what that means. So it is fine for them to say that the device is being scanned for pictures.
- psyc 5y ago> They are scanning photos chosen for upload. This is about the 16th time I have seen language just like this used to explain away this concern. I don't know if you realize, but this wording makes it sound like you can select some photos and leave others local. I can find no indication anywhere, including on my phone, that iCloud Photos is anything other than an All Or Nothing singular toggle in iCloud settings. If you have instructions to the contrary, I will be happy to stand corrected. Seriously, everybody is wording it like this. "Photos you choose..." and similar.
- zepto 5y agoYou choose to use iCloud photos. There are several competitors.
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