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No, there's no confusion. I'm not happy to have my personal files scanned on my personal device that I paid for, simple as that. Apple aren't getting another pe

No, there's no confusion. I'm not happy to have my personal files scanned on my personal device that I paid for, simple as that. Apple aren't getting another penny from me.

lstamour 5y ago
But according to this article you can avoid this by not uploading photos to Apple’s service. Google is already doing this when you upload photos to Google’s service and Microsoft too. The distinction is whether the matching happens on-device before upload or in the cloud after upload, it seems. If Apple already does on-device ML, it makes sense they would add more photo processing client-side to take advantage of encrypted or archival blob storage server-side. Additionally, there’s still the option of using a third-party camera app, which wouldn’t upload photos by default at all.
- crooked-v 5y ago
  > But according to this article you can avoid this by not uploading photos to Apple’s service. ...for now.
  - spideymans 5y ago
    Heck Apple themselves said they would be happy to explore expanding this functionality to third party apps as well.
browningstreet 5y ago
Same here. I'm not confused about what they're doing in the least.
Spivak 5y ago
Shouldn’t you also be unhappy that your personal files are scanned on your Dropbox that you pay for? Is that not the exact same betrayal of trust? I don’t get the whole “because I’m holding the computer it’s happening on there should be different rules” thing.
- beeboop 5y ago
  It's pretty simple to me. If I give something to someone else to take care of, like a stack of magazines, and make no effort to conceal the magazines when I give it to them - they're going to see what magazines I have. We understand this. If they're magazines about something illegal, then of course they might report you to the police. This is like storing your unencrypted files on Dropbox. If you store the magazines in your basement, locked in a vault (password protected computer), then we have an expectation of privacy. To have the vault manufacturer sneak into your home, forcibly open the safe, and inspect your magazines is a very invasive thing. Especially because if this wasn't all over the news, no one would ever think such a thing is happening.

No, there's no confusion. I'm not happy to have my personal files scanned on my personal device that I paid for, simple as that. Apple aren't getting another penny from me.

lstamour 5y ago

But according to this article you can avoid this by not uploading photos to Apple’s service. Google is already doing this when you upload photos to Google’s service and Microsoft too. The distinction is whether the matching happens on-device before upload or in the cloud after upload, it seems. If Apple already does on-device ML, it makes sense they would add more photo processing client-side to take advantage of encrypted or archival blob storage server-side. Additionally, there’s still the option of using a third-party camera app, which wouldn’t upload photos by default at all.

crooked-v 5y ago
> But according to this article you can avoid this by not uploading photos to Apple’s service. ...for now.
- spideymans 5y ago
  Heck Apple themselves said they would be happy to explore expanding this functionality to third party apps as well.

browningstreet 5y ago

Same here. I'm not confused about what they're doing in the least.

Spivak 5y ago

Shouldn’t you also be unhappy that your personal files are scanned on your Dropbox that you pay for? Is that not the exact same betrayal of trust? I don’t get the whole “because I’m holding the computer it’s happening on there should be different rules” thing.

beeboop 5y ago
It's pretty simple to me. If I give something to someone else to take care of, like a stack of magazines, and make no effort to conceal the magazines when I give it to them - they're going to see what magazines I have. We understand this. If they're magazines about something illegal, then of course they might report you to the police. This is like storing your unencrypted files on Dropbox. If you store the magazines in your basement, locked in a vault (password protected computer), then we have an expectation of privacy. To have the vault manufacturer sneak into your home, forcibly open the safe, and inspect your magazines is a very invasive thing. Especially because if this wasn't all over the news, no one would ever think such a thing is happening.