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The NOAA currently hosts over over 37 petabytes of 'comprehensive atmospheric, coastal, oceanic, and geophysical data' and was established in October 1970. It

The NOAA currently hosts over over 37 petabytes of 'comprehensive atmospheric, coastal, oceanic, and geophysical data' and was established in October 1970. It sometimes seems the more data we have the more gloom and doom we get. I'm not one to use emotional quasi religious terms like 'denier' but that does give pause for thought. The NOAA started out Surveying the US coastline in 1807 as the 'U.S. Coast and Geodetic Survey' to provide nautical charts to the maritime community for safe passage into American ports. It's morphed like all giant government bureaucracies into well over 11k people now apparently surveying the entire planet and collecting vast troves of data. https://www.oftwominds.com/blogdec10/lifecycle-bureaucracy12-10.html https://www.oftwominds.com/blogdec10/lifecycle-bureaucracy12...

syops 5y ago
Why does it give you pause for thought? Isn’t the mostly likely conclusion is that the reason more data is leading to more gloom and doom is because we are in a gloom and doom situation?
tstrimple 5y ago
> It sometimes seems the more data we have the more gloom and doom we get. Ignorance really is bliss isn't it?
- olivermarks 5y ago
  Well to be contrarian: lies, damn lies and statistics...the scholarly arguments about the extent to which man is influencing our climate and the extent to which natural cycles and space weather are far more important is essentially a data war. Both sides have a plethora of data and statistics to make their case. I do wonder and worry about the damage this 'you did it' alarmism is very negatively affecting the human psyche, causing substance abuse, depression, suicides etc. https://youtu.be/2ObjtVdsV3I https://youtu.be/2ObjtVdsV3I
  - CyanBird 5y ago
    > lies, damn lies and statistics The first hard data that existed from global warming came from Exxon and a small team of scientists on the 70's or so, when they attached temperature sensors to a couple oil tankers and measured the temperature of the ocean as it traveled If you call for "less data" because things scare you, then I am sorry to say that you are a coward and unscientific
    - olivermarks 5y ago
      I think you entirely missed my points followed by a couple of insults.
  - anyfoo 5y ago
    I really, honestly wish the people believing it's not a big issue were right. Sadly, that does not appear the case.
anyfoo 5y ago
Isn't more data good, giving more confidence? If more data paints a bleaker and bleaker picture, aren't things bleak?
pizza 5y ago
Maybe what you fear, in this case, is actually real

syops 5y ago

Why does it give you pause for thought? Isn’t the mostly likely conclusion is that the reason more data is leading to more gloom and doom is because we are in a gloom and doom situation?

tstrimple 5y ago

> It sometimes seems the more data we have the more gloom and doom we get. Ignorance really is bliss isn't it?

olivermarks 5y ago
Well to be contrarian: lies, damn lies and statistics...the scholarly arguments about the extent to which man is influencing our climate and the extent to which natural cycles and space weather are far more important is essentially a data war. Both sides have a plethora of data and statistics to make their case. I do wonder and worry about the damage this 'you did it' alarmism is very negatively affecting the human psyche, causing substance abuse, depression, suicides etc. https://youtu.be/2ObjtVdsV3I https://youtu.be/2ObjtVdsV3I
- CyanBird 5y ago
  > lies, damn lies and statistics The first hard data that existed from global warming came from Exxon and a small team of scientists on the 70's or so, when they attached temperature sensors to a couple oil tankers and measured the temperature of the ocean as it traveled If you call for "less data" because things scare you, then I am sorry to say that you are a coward and unscientific
  - olivermarks 5y ago
    I think you entirely missed my points followed by a couple of insults.
- anyfoo 5y ago
  I really, honestly wish the people believing it's not a big issue were right. Sadly, that does not appear the case.

anyfoo 5y ago

Isn't more data good, giving more confidence? If more data paints a bleaker and bleaker picture, aren't things bleak?

pizza 5y ago

Maybe what you fear, in this case, is actually real