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The current administration has approved more than 2,000 new fracking permits. I'm so glad the US has rejoined the Paris Agreement. "Meet the new boss Same as

by adam12 5y ago

The current administration has approved more than 2,000 new fracking permits. I'm so glad the US has rejoined the Paris Agreement. "Meet the new boss Same as the old boss"

cryptoz 5y ago
I am very left, and despise Biden's refusal to address climate change where it counts, like fraking. But honestly, the new boss is not the same as the old boss, even with climate change. The new boss does in fact acknowledge it exists, rather than insisting that all climate change is a hoax and it is invented by China to hurt the US. Biden is not making the progress I'd like to see, but he is in no way as bad as the last guy.
- makotech222 5y ago
  Lol he acknowledges it exists. What is the point of that if you continue to make it worse!? By that logic, Biden actually believes we deserve climate change and wants to destroy the world!
- vkou 5y ago
  I can't say I care very deeply about whether or not he's sympathetic and useless, or antagonistic and useless. The end result is the same. Maybe the EU will one day get it's agenda together, and apply crippling tariffs to all goods and services imported from countries that don't have carbon taxes.
- starik36 5y ago
  This is nonsense. Whether someone virtue signals or not, actions are what's important, not words. The CO2 emissions output has been coming down since the high in 2006. With the old boss and the new boss. https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide-emissions-from-1999/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide... If anything, fracking helped the environment, since it offset resources being mined by the traditional, more wasteful methods.
  - rootusrootus 5y ago
    > This is nonsense. Whether someone virtue signals or not, actions are what's important, not words. Arguably the most powerful tool the POTUS has is words. So they are not unimportant.
  - TremendousJudge 5y ago
    The atmosphere is shared between all countries. Looking at the output of a single country is useless for everything except petty politics discussions. When a country moves its industry abroad without changing its demand, net CO2 output is unchanged, and these figures are worse than useless.
    - starik36 5y ago
      > atmosphere is shared between all countries True, but since we are talking the old boss vs new boss... Neither can exactly tell China or Europe to stop increasing their CO2 output.
      - soperj 5y ago
        They can. Largest economy on earth. Just put your money where your mouth is.
  - cryptoz 5y ago
    It seems you are stating that the loudly-spoken and widely-distributed words of the US president are "not important". I completely disagree with that. What the US President says is definitely important. I have already expressed anger in this thread that Biden has not taken the right actions. His words aren't even right. But there IS a difference - it DOES matter what he says. Denial is not the same as acceptance. Saying that it doesn't matter if the president is a climate denier or not is pretty far out there - I haven't heard this take before. Is it okay for the president to spread messages of pro-genocide and hatred? That doesn't matter right? The president's words literally don't matter, so whatever, he can go on about yelling that he's gonna nuke someone, doesn't matter. "Words [of leaders] don't matter" is a terrible take.
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- testfoobar 5y ago
  Actions matter. Narratives are often used as palliatives. Demand real change.
kyrra 5y ago
And is asking for OPEC to produce more oil[0]. EDIT: updated the linked article. I originally linked to an opinion piece rather than a news piece. [0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-urges-opec-to-boost-oil-production-amid-covid-19-recovery-11628688236 https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-urges-opec-to-boost... old link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-wants-opec-to-drill-oil-fossil-fuels-11628715632 https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-wants-opec-to-drill-o...
- testfoobar 5y ago
  No administration (L or R) wants to take the political hit. Everyone will burn more carbon.
- swader999 5y ago
  After land-locking the supply to the most ethical producing nation to the north.
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knownjorbist 5y ago
Doing this is not mutually exclusive to taking action on climate. Fracking is what's really killing the coal industry. The kind of reasoning you're using rings hollow when you actually look closer at what's going on politically: https://www.slowboring.com/p/climate-left https://www.slowboring.com/p/climate-left > $16 billion for capping orphaned wells and cleaning up abandoned mines. > $47.2 billion for climate resiliency projects. > $48.5 billion for public transit. > $66 billion for freight and passenger rail. > $15 billion for EV charging stations and electric buses. > $73 billion for upgrading the electricity grid.
TeeMassive 5y ago
> The current administration has approved more than 2,000 new fracking permits. Most fears about fracking are either myths or overblown. Fracking has allowed the extraction of more natural gas; and natural has is the main reason that the US was able to reduce its emissions the past decade because it has a higher Joules/CO2 ratio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTA-M12vrT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTA-M12vrT4 > I'm so glad the US has rejoined the Paris Agreement. Any climate accords not involving the major C02 producers, especially China and India who produces more C02 than all of the rest of the developed world combined, will only outsource the problem to those countries with very poor to non-existent environmental regulations while we sabotage our economies my making them noncompetitive in the mean time.

by adam12 5y ago

The current administration has approved more than 2,000 new fracking permits. I'm so glad the US has rejoined the Paris Agreement. "Meet the new boss Same as the old boss"

cryptoz 5y ago

I am very left, and despise Biden's refusal to address climate change where it counts, like fraking. But honestly, the new boss is not the same as the old boss, even with climate change. The new boss does in fact acknowledge it exists, rather than insisting that all climate change is a hoax and it is invented by China to hurt the US. Biden is not making the progress I'd like to see, but he is in no way as bad as the last guy.

makotech222 5y ago
Lol he acknowledges it exists. What is the point of that if you continue to make it worse!? By that logic, Biden actually believes we deserve climate change and wants to destroy the world!
vkou 5y ago
I can't say I care very deeply about whether or not he's sympathetic and useless, or antagonistic and useless. The end result is the same. Maybe the EU will one day get it's agenda together, and apply crippling tariffs to all goods and services imported from countries that don't have carbon taxes.
starik36 5y ago
This is nonsense. Whether someone virtue signals or not, actions are what's important, not words. The CO2 emissions output has been coming down since the high in 2006. With the old boss and the new boss. https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide-emissions-from-1999/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide... If anything, fracking helped the environment, since it offset resources being mined by the traditional, more wasteful methods.
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  > This is nonsense. Whether someone virtue signals or not, actions are what's important, not words. Arguably the most powerful tool the POTUS has is words. So they are not unimportant.
- TremendousJudge 5y ago
  The atmosphere is shared between all countries. Looking at the output of a single country is useless for everything except petty politics discussions. When a country moves its industry abroad without changing its demand, net CO2 output is unchanged, and these figures are worse than useless.
  - starik36 5y ago
    > atmosphere is shared between all countries True, but since we are talking the old boss vs new boss... Neither can exactly tell China or Europe to stop increasing their CO2 output.
    - soperj 5y ago
      They can. Largest economy on earth. Just put your money where your mouth is.
- cryptoz 5y ago
  It seems you are stating that the loudly-spoken and widely-distributed words of the US president are "not important". I completely disagree with that. What the US President says is definitely important. I have already expressed anger in this thread that Biden has not taken the right actions. His words aren't even right. But there IS a difference - it DOES matter what he says. Denial is not the same as acceptance. Saying that it doesn't matter if the president is a climate denier or not is pretty far out there - I haven't heard this take before. Is it okay for the president to spread messages of pro-genocide and hatred? That doesn't matter right? The president's words literally don't matter, so whatever, he can go on about yelling that he's gonna nuke someone, doesn't matter. "Words [of leaders] don't matter" is a terrible take.
- 5y ago
testfoobar 5y ago
Actions matter. Narratives are often used as palliatives. Demand real change.

kyrra 5y ago

And is asking for OPEC to produce more oil[0]. EDIT: updated the linked article. I originally linked to an opinion piece rather than a news piece. [0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-urges-opec-to-boost-oil-production-amid-covid-19-recovery-11628688236 https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-urges-opec-to-boost... old link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-wants-opec-to-drill-oil-fossil-fuels-11628715632 https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-wants-opec-to-drill-o...

testfoobar 5y ago
No administration (L or R) wants to take the political hit. Everyone will burn more carbon.
swader999 5y ago
After land-locking the supply to the most ethical producing nation to the north.

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knownjorbist 5y ago

Doing this is not mutually exclusive to taking action on climate. Fracking is what's really killing the coal industry. The kind of reasoning you're using rings hollow when you actually look closer at what's going on politically: https://www.slowboring.com/p/climate-left https://www.slowboring.com/p/climate-left > $16 billion for capping orphaned wells and cleaning up abandoned mines. > $47.2 billion for climate resiliency projects. > $48.5 billion for public transit. > $66 billion for freight and passenger rail. > $15 billion for EV charging stations and electric buses. > $73 billion for upgrading the electricity grid.

TeeMassive 5y ago

> The current administration has approved more than 2,000 new fracking permits. Most fears about fracking are either myths or overblown. Fracking has allowed the extraction of more natural gas; and natural has is the main reason that the US was able to reduce its emissions the past decade because it has a higher Joules/CO2 ratio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTA-M12vrT4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTA-M12vrT4 > I'm so glad the US has rejoined the Paris Agreement. Any climate accords not involving the major C02 producers, especially China and India who produces more C02 than all of the rest of the developed world combined, will only outsource the problem to those countries with very poor to non-existent environmental regulations while we sabotage our economies my making them noncompetitive in the mean time.