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I'm seeing more of this in HN where folks hint at something that's available only if you're an employee at one of the tech giants. I feel like it used to be gau

I'm seeing more of this in HN where folks hint at something that's available only if you're an employee at one of the tech giants. I feel like it used to be gauche and isn't now. (No jab at you specifically tdeck, just a trend I'm not fond of.)

rejectedandsad 5y ago
It's overwhelmingly a Google thing in my experience, because they're used to everyone else being part of their own insular club (and ignoring the rest of the plebeians incapable of getting a job there). It's still gauche, you're not going crazy.
- zozbot234 5y ago
  The original commenter is not working at Google or part of that "club"; the comment states that they left that job.
  - EvilEy3 5y ago
    They're still part of it because they were there.
    - rejectedandsad 5y ago
      Xoogler is a term. How many other companies have a term like that? They even have a website internally for people who leave and they call them “alums”. Nobody thinks I’m impressive or worthy of respect because of where I work, but people like OP continue to promote an elitist view of the world.
      - tdeck 5y ago
        > people like OP continue to promote an elitist view of the world. Please explain specifically how I've done that if you've going to throw around accusations. You seem to be reading a lot into the fact that I worked at Google in the past, but I didn't design the hiring process, the data access rules, the cultural vocabulary, or any of the other things you seem aggrieved by. People at giant companies don't have influence over those things, and if you go through my comment history you'll see that I have mixed feelings about working there. If the mere mention that someone worked at a particular company gives you a feeling of inadequacy, I can certainly sympathize. But you need to realize that those feelings are coming from your own issues and not something I wrote in my comment. It's not necessary or sufficient to work at Google to have a fulfilling career, it's only necessary in this case since the codebase I reviewed is not public.
        rejectedandsad 5y ago
        > It's not necessary or sufficient to work at Google to have a fulfilling career, it's only necessary in this case since the codebase I reviewed is not public. That's clearly the subtext here, and here [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28172705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28172705 Ya'll clearly think people like me aren't worthy of being "in the know" (and probably of living at all to be honest) for describing this particular doc. Openly flaunting your immense privilege is usually considered gauche, for the record.
        xeromal 5y ago
        I don't think he flaunted it at all and I say that as someone who'll never make it into Google. lol
        tdeck 5y ago
        > Ya'll clearly think people like me aren't worthy of being "in the know" (and probably of living at all to be honest) If this is your read on the situation, you have problems. First of all "y'all" is multiple different people on a website who don't know each other. You can't cite a comment by one person to support your claim that another person believes something, and "that's clearly the subtext" isn't clear to me from any comment in this thread. For the benefit of other readers, I'll just state it explicitly: this doc describes a TAR file that was shared with me when I worked at Google, that includes source code owned by the company that was never released. That's why the doc isn't public, it's not because I decided you "weren't worthy of being in the know" or of "living at all" - that interpretation is completely ridiculous. There are docs I've written at my current job that aren't public either, and that's not because I believe my colleagues constitute some kind of master race. The key takeaways for me were: - The UI looked like an old fashioned flip phone, as in the screenshot from that article - Everything was JS, as discussed elsewhere - The functionality wasn't particularly impressive to me, it had a half-finished calendar, contacts app, etc... And some graphical 2D demos What was most interesting was just poking around the screenshots and commit log which I obviously don't have.
        5y ago
- tdeck 5y ago
  It's because more than 100,000 people work at Google. If I had written a comment saying "if you're ever in [small city], you might want to check out [thing]" I suspect nobody would have a problem with that.
  - rejectedandsad 5y ago
    You can walk into a city. You have to be judged to be in the top 1% of intelligence to work at Google. People like me are untermensch to folks like you.
    - SeanAppleby 5y ago
      I promise you that you have a vastly higher opinion of people who work at google than people who work at google do.
      - rejectedandsad 5y ago
        They definitely think they're innately superior to people like me. If anything I'm underplaying it. When you're given everything from peer bonuses to spot bonuses to first class flights to Hawaii to unlimited external validation from everyone else - it's not surprising.
    - saagarjha 5y ago
      Judging by your username and comment history, you seem to think getting into Google is some sort of intelligence test that only a select few can ever pass: it’s not. You just prepare for it and do well as you’d do for any other exam. Getting into Google doesn’t mean you’re inherently smarter than everyone else.
      - rejectedandsad 5y ago
        This feels like a cope. I don't think it's true at all. I've studied for years and I haven't gotten into any Google-tier companies. It's all IQ, and people like me aren't chosen to be part of the elite class.
tdeck 5y ago
Sorry about that. I love computer history and put a lot of work into documenting the demo and want people to be able to learn about it, but it's very unfortunate that people outside Google (including me) can't see it. Basically it was a collection of screenshots and some notes on the code / commit log iirc.
javert 5y ago
I feel lucky to hear these stories and "hang out" with these engineers, even if I can't personally get access to what they're discussing. I think it's absolutely awful that you and others in this thread are actively discouraging this kind of wonderful discussion. I think you are going against the hacker ethos and the Hacker News ethos.

rejectedandsad 5y ago

It's overwhelmingly a Google thing in my experience, because they're used to everyone else being part of their own insular club (and ignoring the rest of the plebeians incapable of getting a job there). It's still gauche, you're not going crazy.

zozbot234 5y ago
The original commenter is not working at Google or part of that "club"; the comment states that they left that job.
- EvilEy3 5y ago
  They're still part of it because they were there.
  - rejectedandsad 5y ago
    Xoogler is a term. How many other companies have a term like that? They even have a website internally for people who leave and they call them “alums”. Nobody thinks I’m impressive or worthy of respect because of where I work, but people like OP continue to promote an elitist view of the world.
    - tdeck 5y ago
      > people like OP continue to promote an elitist view of the world. Please explain specifically how I've done that if you've going to throw around accusations. You seem to be reading a lot into the fact that I worked at Google in the past, but I didn't design the hiring process, the data access rules, the cultural vocabulary, or any of the other things you seem aggrieved by. People at giant companies don't have influence over those things, and if you go through my comment history you'll see that I have mixed feelings about working there. If the mere mention that someone worked at a particular company gives you a feeling of inadequacy, I can certainly sympathize. But you need to realize that those feelings are coming from your own issues and not something I wrote in my comment. It's not necessary or sufficient to work at Google to have a fulfilling career, it's only necessary in this case since the codebase I reviewed is not public.
      - rejectedandsad 5y ago
        > It's not necessary or sufficient to work at Google to have a fulfilling career, it's only necessary in this case since the codebase I reviewed is not public. That's clearly the subtext here, and here [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28172705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28172705 Ya'll clearly think people like me aren't worthy of being "in the know" (and probably of living at all to be honest) for describing this particular doc. Openly flaunting your immense privilege is usually considered gauche, for the record.
        xeromal 5y ago
        I don't think he flaunted it at all and I say that as someone who'll never make it into Google. lol
        tdeck 5y ago
        > Ya'll clearly think people like me aren't worthy of being "in the know" (and probably of living at all to be honest) If this is your read on the situation, you have problems. First of all "y'all" is multiple different people on a website who don't know each other. You can't cite a comment by one person to support your claim that another person believes something, and "that's clearly the subtext" isn't clear to me from any comment in this thread. For the benefit of other readers, I'll just state it explicitly: this doc describes a TAR file that was shared with me when I worked at Google, that includes source code owned by the company that was never released. That's why the doc isn't public, it's not because I decided you "weren't worthy of being in the know" or of "living at all" - that interpretation is completely ridiculous. There are docs I've written at my current job that aren't public either, and that's not because I believe my colleagues constitute some kind of master race. The key takeaways for me were: - The UI looked like an old fashioned flip phone, as in the screenshot from that article - Everything was JS, as discussed elsewhere - The functionality wasn't particularly impressive to me, it had a half-finished calendar, contacts app, etc... And some graphical 2D demos What was most interesting was just poking around the screenshots and commit log which I obviously don't have.
        5y ago
tdeck 5y ago
It's because more than 100,000 people work at Google. If I had written a comment saying "if you're ever in [small city], you might want to check out [thing]" I suspect nobody would have a problem with that.
- rejectedandsad 5y ago
  You can walk into a city. You have to be judged to be in the top 1% of intelligence to work at Google. People like me are untermensch to folks like you.
  - SeanAppleby 5y ago
    I promise you that you have a vastly higher opinion of people who work at google than people who work at google do.
    - rejectedandsad 5y ago
      They definitely think they're innately superior to people like me. If anything I'm underplaying it. When you're given everything from peer bonuses to spot bonuses to first class flights to Hawaii to unlimited external validation from everyone else - it's not surprising.
  - saagarjha 5y ago
    Judging by your username and comment history, you seem to think getting into Google is some sort of intelligence test that only a select few can ever pass: it’s not. You just prepare for it and do well as you’d do for any other exam. Getting into Google doesn’t mean you’re inherently smarter than everyone else.
    - rejectedandsad 5y ago
      This feels like a cope. I don't think it's true at all. I've studied for years and I haven't gotten into any Google-tier companies. It's all IQ, and people like me aren't chosen to be part of the elite class.

tdeck 5y ago

Sorry about that. I love computer history and put a lot of work into documenting the demo and want people to be able to learn about it, but it's very unfortunate that people outside Google (including me) can't see it. Basically it was a collection of screenshots and some notes on the code / commit log iirc.

javert 5y ago

I feel lucky to hear these stories and "hang out" with these engineers, even if I can't personally get access to what they're discussing. I think it's absolutely awful that you and others in this thread are actively discouraging this kind of wonderful discussion. I think you are going against the hacker ethos and the Hacker News ethos.