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1:43: So to be clear, we are not looking for child pornography on iPhones, that's the first root of the misunderstanding 4:10: On your phone when photos are up

1:43: So to be clear, we are not looking for child pornography on iPhones, that's the first root of the misunderstanding 4:10: On your phone when photos are uploaded to the iCloud photo library - part of that upload pipeline- there is a.. what's called a neural hash... performed on the image and that neural hash is intersected with a database that's on your device... I'm sorry but computing hashes on a device and comparing them against a set of hashes on a device is literally scanning for photos on the device. Pinky swear promises to "only do this on photos that you are uploading to iCloud" doesn't magically turn this into an iCloud feature. This is on-device scanning for a set of hashes derived from a database of Photos that nobody can legally audit. The next instance of the FBI wanting to frame the next Martin Luther King Jr doesn't even have to go through the hassle of obtaining CP and inserting it into their target device. They can download completely innocent family photos from FB and upload them to the NMEC database and wait for the new hashes to be downloaded to their target's phone. To make things worse, this is all just one little "oopsie, I wrote a bug" away from scanning every photo on device including on devices that have iCloud photos turned off and are in Airplane mode.

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istingray 5y ago
Steve Jobs in 2010: "Privacy means people know what they’re signing up for, in plain English, and repeatedly. That’s what it means. I’m an optimist, I believe people are smart. And some people want to share more data than other people do. Ask them. Ask them every time. Make them tell you to stop asking them if they get tired of your asking them. Let them know precisely what you’re going to do with their data. That’s what we think." Interesting to see the "oh you must be confused" framing pop up everywhere. It's rampant as a defense of this in online discussions, Apple's defense, and Jon Gruber's take. Is there a name for this strategy?
- notquitehuman 5y ago
  The confusion is caused by Apple using a novel definition of backdoor when they claim that this isn’t a backdoor.
- lioeters 5y ago
  > Paternalism: A serious fallacy of ethos, arbitrarily tut-tutting, dismissing or ignoring another's arguments or concerns as "childish" or "immature;" taking a condescending attitude of superiority toward opposing standpoints or toward opponents themselves. Source: Master List of Logical Fallacies - http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/engl1311/fallacies.htm http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/engl1311/fallacies.htm
  - istingray 5y ago
    Thank you!!!!

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istingray 5y ago

Steve Jobs in 2010: "Privacy means people know what they’re signing up for, in plain English, and repeatedly. That’s what it means. I’m an optimist, I believe people are smart. And some people want to share more data than other people do. Ask them. Ask them every time. Make them tell you to stop asking them if they get tired of your asking them. Let them know precisely what you’re going to do with their data. That’s what we think." Interesting to see the "oh you must be confused" framing pop up everywhere. It's rampant as a defense of this in online discussions, Apple's defense, and Jon Gruber's take. Is there a name for this strategy?

notquitehuman 5y ago
The confusion is caused by Apple using a novel definition of backdoor when they claim that this isn’t a backdoor.
lioeters 5y ago
> Paternalism: A serious fallacy of ethos, arbitrarily tut-tutting, dismissing or ignoring another's arguments or concerns as "childish" or "immature;" taking a condescending attitude of superiority toward opposing standpoints or toward opponents themselves. Source: Master List of Logical Fallacies - http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/engl1311/fallacies.htm http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/engl1311/fallacies.htm
- istingray 5y ago
  Thank you!!!!