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I'm not arguing against the problem or trying to find solutions But you are arguing against the discussion, no? Instead of using this article (as much as you

I'm not arguing against the problem or trying to find solutions But you are arguing against the discussion, no? Instead of using this article (as much as you may feel it lacks substance) as an opportunity to discuss the problem further, and propose solutions or suggestions... Instead, you label it a circle jerk. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but you haven't done much to change that.

alex_c 15y ago
No, I haven't - because I still see nothing of substance in the article, and past experience gives me little faith that the discussion is going anywhere interesting. I don't see what I - or anyone - can contribute beyond "Sexism is bad, don't do it!". I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Anyway, I've said my piece, I see no reason to clutter up the thread with more meta discussion from me.
- gatlin 15y ago
  The most worrying thing to me is that despite the frequent discussions on HN, there are people in this thread who would rather assume that there is no problem, and this is just the way things are. Until blatant ignorance and misconceptions like this are dispelled, we need to have more discussions. Disclaimer: I'm male, studying STEM education and the gender gap.
Goladus 15y ago
This post isn't starting discussion it's just whining about unfounded generalities and cherry-picking jokes like G-boobs-le which is not offensive and any so-called feminist who gets worked up about it should re-think her priorities. The only remotely new point is the comment about Asperger's not being an excuse for sexist behavior. So yes, the article lacks substance. There's essentially none. If I want to have a discussion about the role of women in IT and web development, this particular post is a horrible starting point. Resulting discussion will almost certainly be ill-informed and a complete waste of my time. Given the amount of work I would have to do to drag the discussion into productivity, I am better off writing my own blog.

alex_c 15y ago

No, I haven't - because I still see nothing of substance in the article, and past experience gives me little faith that the discussion is going anywhere interesting. I don't see what I - or anyone - can contribute beyond "Sexism is bad, don't do it!". I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Anyway, I've said my piece, I see no reason to clutter up the thread with more meta discussion from me.

gatlin 15y ago
The most worrying thing to me is that despite the frequent discussions on HN, there are people in this thread who would rather assume that there is no problem, and this is just the way things are. Until blatant ignorance and misconceptions like this are dispelled, we need to have more discussions. Disclaimer: I'm male, studying STEM education and the gender gap.

Goladus 15y ago

This post isn't starting discussion it's just whining about unfounded generalities and cherry-picking jokes like G-boobs-le which is not offensive and any so-called feminist who gets worked up about it should re-think her priorities. The only remotely new point is the comment about Asperger's not being an excuse for sexist behavior. So yes, the article lacks substance. There's essentially none. If I want to have a discussion about the role of women in IT and web development, this particular post is a horrible starting point. Resulting discussion will almost certainly be ill-informed and a complete waste of my time. Given the amount of work I would have to do to drag the discussion into productivity, I am better off writing my own blog.