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How is this not a better established position? I see Snopes as pure, unadulterated bias. Honestly, I see all those fact checking websites the same way. Which i

by dfee 5y ago

How is this not a better established position? I see Snopes as pure, unadulterated bias. Honestly, I see all those fact checking websites the same way. Which is fine, though humorously this pairs nicely with another thread on HN this morning about HS critical thinking courses around journalism, quite well.

rglover 5y ago
Because people believe what they want to believe. I'm being downvoted because what I said is hurting people's feelings and sensibilities, but it's the truth. The people who run it are, well...https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4042194/Facebook-fact-checker-arbitrate-fake-news-accused-defrauding-website-pay-prostitutes-staff-includes-escort-porn-star-Vice-Vixen-domme.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4042194/Facebook-fa....
- jazzyjackson 5y ago
  Downvoting you for complaining about downvoting And also for linking the daily mail
  - rglover 5y ago
    I'm not complaining, just pointing it out. Enjoy your passive aggression.
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qkqk 5y ago
Really? So you think Trump was wearing his pants backwards at this rally? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-wear-pants-backwards/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-wear-pants-backwards... Snopes says he wasn't, and shows evidence why. That's just "pure, unadulterated bias" though, right? His pants are on backwards? Otherwise "I see Snopes as pure, unadulterated bias" would be such a broad generalization it's meaningless!
- TheTester 5y ago
  Bias is definitely not the same the same as actually lying and even though snipes lies every once in a while it is mostly just biased
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  Your argument that because a known biased “fact checker” chose not to pounce on Trump for one absolutely stupid Reddit-style hive-mind circle-jerk, they are a bastion of impartial fourth estate in a significant number of articles? You may have poor judgment when it comes to outlying events fitting in a trend.
smnrchrds 5y ago
> I see Snopes as pure, unadulterated bias Could you please elaborate? I have never seen them described like this.
- TylerE 5y ago
  I see it all the time... on the sorts of subreddits all the RWNJs hang out on.
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  Here's an example Snopes article questioning the authenticity of the photos on Hunter's Biden Laptop. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-hunter-biden-porn/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-hunter-biden-porn/ They have not updated the fact check. Here's a story with a video in which Hunter Biden himself claims Russian drug dealers stole another one of his laptops for blackmail. And 'The Russians have videos of me doing crazy f**ing sex! Source with the Video: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9881213/Unearthed-video-shows-naked-Hunter-Biden-claiming-Russian-drug-dealers-stole-laptop.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9881213/Unearthed-v...
  - qkqk 5y ago
    Huh, the article where they say "Trump did not explicitly tell people to 'storm' or 'breach' or 'break into' the Capitol" and instead “peacefully and patriotically” march does't fit the mold of "pure, unadulterated bias." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-tell-supporters-storm/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-tell-supporters-stor... I'm so confused!
    - Wolfenstein98k 5y ago
      Engage with the given example, which proves the claim.
      - smnrchrds 5y ago
        If a source makes questionable claims to the left or right, it is biased. If it makes questionable claims to the left and right, it is not biased, it just lacks quality.
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stimpson_j_cat 5y ago
> I see Snopes as pure, unadulterated bias Oh, they said Trump told the truth when he said "Murders this year have spiked 27% in Philadelphia." https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/24/donald-trump/fact-checking-trump-rising-murders-philly/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/24/donald-tru... Why didn't anyone remind them of their bias before this got published?
- betwixthewires 5y ago
  I love how ever single reply to the parent mentions Trump, as if anyone that thinks snopes is full of shit must be a Trump supporter. It's almost as if there's a group of people out there who all think exactly alike and knee jerk to defend these organizations out of some strange sense of loyalty.
  - krapp 5y ago
    >I love how ever single reply to the parent mentions Trump, as if anyone that thinks snopes is full of shit must be a Trump supporter. Because there was no widespread vocal opposition to Snopes until Trump supporters started calling it "fake news" for debunking his claims about his inauguration turnout. Now they come out of the woodwork with every mention of the site to call it liberal propaganda and whatnot. No one else cares about the site that much - it's entertainment at best.
    - betwixthewires 5y ago
      The thread they're replying to said nothing about liberal anything, although I would understand jumping to that conclusion if they had. The widespread vocal opposition to Snopes is not simply from Trump calling it fake news, if anything his was a response just like the rest of us, a response to that organization plainly and blatantly lying to their readers repeatedly.
      - krapp 5y ago
        And yet if you ask people for a list of these blatant lies, most of the time they'll be items critical of Trump or of right-wing talking points. I'm sure there are some people who don't like Snopes for whatever other reasons but it's obvious that much of the modern resentment against the site is driven by a political agenda.
JCVI-syn10 5y ago
They debunked the video that purported to show Trump insulting his supporters. They said the video was fake. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-video-insulting-supporters/?collection-id=271519 https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-video-insulting-supp... According to you, they are wrong, though. Ignore evidence to the contrary.

by dfee 5y ago

rglover 5y ago

Because people believe what they want to believe. I'm being downvoted because what I said is hurting people's feelings and sensibilities, but it's the truth. The people who run it are, well...https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4042194/Facebook-fact-checker-arbitrate-fake-news-accused-defrauding-website-pay-prostitutes-staff-includes-escort-porn-star-Vice-Vixen-domme.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4042194/Facebook-fa....

jazzyjackson 5y ago
Downvoting you for complaining about downvoting And also for linking the daily mail
- rglover 5y ago
  I'm not complaining, just pointing it out. Enjoy your passive aggression.
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qkqk 5y ago

Really? So you think Trump was wearing his pants backwards at this rally? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-wear-pants-backwards/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-wear-pants-backwards... Snopes says he wasn't, and shows evidence why. That's just "pure, unadulterated bias" though, right? His pants are on backwards? Otherwise "I see Snopes as pure, unadulterated bias" would be such a broad generalization it's meaningless!

TheTester 5y ago
Bias is definitely not the same the same as actually lying and even though snipes lies every once in a while it is mostly just biased
SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
Your argument that because a known biased “fact checker” chose not to pounce on Trump for one absolutely stupid Reddit-style hive-mind circle-jerk, they are a bastion of impartial fourth estate in a significant number of articles? You may have poor judgment when it comes to outlying events fitting in a trend.

smnrchrds 5y ago

> I see Snopes as pure, unadulterated bias Could you please elaborate? I have never seen them described like this.

TylerE 5y ago
I see it all the time... on the sorts of subreddits all the RWNJs hang out on.
dukeofdoom 5y ago
Here's an example Snopes article questioning the authenticity of the photos on Hunter's Biden Laptop. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-hunter-biden-porn/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-hunter-biden-porn/ They have not updated the fact check. Here's a story with a video in which Hunter Biden himself claims Russian drug dealers stole another one of his laptops for blackmail. And 'The Russians have videos of me doing crazy f**ing sex! Source with the Video: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9881213/Unearthed-video-shows-naked-Hunter-Biden-claiming-Russian-drug-dealers-stole-laptop.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9881213/Unearthed-v...
- qkqk 5y ago
  Huh, the article where they say "Trump did not explicitly tell people to 'storm' or 'breach' or 'break into' the Capitol" and instead “peacefully and patriotically” march does't fit the mold of "pure, unadulterated bias." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-tell-supporters-storm/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-tell-supporters-stor... I'm so confused!
  - Wolfenstein98k 5y ago
    Engage with the given example, which proves the claim.
    - smnrchrds 5y ago
      If a source makes questionable claims to the left or right, it is biased. If it makes questionable claims to the left and right, it is not biased, it just lacks quality.

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stimpson_j_cat 5y ago

> I see Snopes as pure, unadulterated bias Oh, they said Trump told the truth when he said "Murders this year have spiked 27% in Philadelphia." https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/24/donald-trump/fact-checking-trump-rising-murders-philly/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/24/donald-tru... Why didn't anyone remind them of their bias before this got published?

betwixthewires 5y ago
I love how ever single reply to the parent mentions Trump, as if anyone that thinks snopes is full of shit must be a Trump supporter. It's almost as if there's a group of people out there who all think exactly alike and knee jerk to defend these organizations out of some strange sense of loyalty.
- krapp 5y ago
  >I love how ever single reply to the parent mentions Trump, as if anyone that thinks snopes is full of shit must be a Trump supporter. Because there was no widespread vocal opposition to Snopes until Trump supporters started calling it "fake news" for debunking his claims about his inauguration turnout. Now they come out of the woodwork with every mention of the site to call it liberal propaganda and whatnot. No one else cares about the site that much - it's entertainment at best.
  - betwixthewires 5y ago
    The thread they're replying to said nothing about liberal anything, although I would understand jumping to that conclusion if they had. The widespread vocal opposition to Snopes is not simply from Trump calling it fake news, if anything his was a response just like the rest of us, a response to that organization plainly and blatantly lying to their readers repeatedly.
    - krapp 5y ago
      And yet if you ask people for a list of these blatant lies, most of the time they'll be items critical of Trump or of right-wing talking points. I'm sure there are some people who don't like Snopes for whatever other reasons but it's obvious that much of the modern resentment against the site is driven by a political agenda.

JCVI-syn10 5y ago

They debunked the video that purported to show Trump insulting his supporters. They said the video was fake. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-video-insulting-supporters/?collection-id=271519 https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-video-insulting-supp... According to you, they are wrong, though. Ignore evidence to the contrary.