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> Despite what those propagandists and opinion pieces say, the NY Times, Washington Post, and similar publications do provide quality news (don't read their opi

> Despite what those propagandists and opinion pieces say, the NY Times, Washington Post, and similar publications do provide quality news (don't read their opinion sections either). They do, but only on certain subjects they approve of. There are often major world or local events that are never covered in these outlets. Just to give some recent examples, the largest worker protests and strike in history happened in 2020 across India, and not 1 mainstream outlet in the US and UK covered it at all. Similarly, the miners' protests in NY were not covered in mainstream media. I do agree that on the news they do cover, you can get decent facts from the papers you cite.

wolverine876 5y ago
> the largest worker protests and strike in history happened in 2020 across India, and not 1 mainstream outlet in the US and UK covered it at all. Similarly, the miners' protests in NY were not covered in mainstream media. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+worker+protests+site%3Anytimes.com https://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+worker+protests+site%3Anytim... I didn't see the New York miner protests in the NYT in a quick search, but I lack search terms and time. Do you mean the protests in support of Alabama miners? I'm not saying that they don't miss stories and can't improve, a lot, but I think attacking journalism is trendy and normalized, and much of it is BS.
- simiones 5y ago
  > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+worker+protests+site%3Anytim https://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+worker+protests+site%3Anytim... I am talking about the 2020 general strike(s) (trade unions estimate 250 million people joined, though others push for much smaller numbers): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_general_strike_of_2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_general_strike_of_2020. I have not found a single article about this in the NYT, BBC, Washington Post. The Guardian in the UK did cover these. > Do you mean the protests in support of Alabama miners? Yes, I mixed things up a bit. I have not been able to find an article about either the strike, nor the NYC protests about it. Rather amusingly, looking for UMWA or Alabama miner strikes, there are several articles about this, from ~1900s. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Alabama+miner+strike+site%3Anytimes.com&atb=v274-1&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Alabama+miner+strike+site%3Anytime... The main point I was making is that there is systematic bias on certain topics - especially workers' rights - in mainstream publications. There are other such topics as well, usually to do with the nitty gritty of US imperialism.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    I'll just note that while many call the NY Times and the 'media' biased toward liberals or progressives, you are saying they ignore essential topics. I wish all the critics would compare notes.
    - tsimionescu 5y ago
      Well, media in the USA is often being accused of being left-leaning, when in fact it is almost universally right-of-center on almost every topic, except culture issues. The claim is not necessarily that they ignore essential topics, so much as that they present a biased narrative of the world, even in the facts that they chose to cover at all - one biased against workers and against America's (perceived) enemies. The people who accuse the NY Times of being biased towards liberals or progressives often forget how pro-war they were for example, how friendly they are to the military and security apparatus in general etc.

wolverine876 5y ago

> the largest worker protests and strike in history happened in 2020 across India, and not 1 mainstream outlet in the US and UK covered it at all. Similarly, the miners' protests in NY were not covered in mainstream media. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+worker+protests+site%3Anytimes.com https://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+worker+protests+site%3Anytim... I didn't see the New York miner protests in the NYT in a quick search, but I lack search terms and time. Do you mean the protests in support of Alabama miners? I'm not saying that they don't miss stories and can't improve, a lot, but I think attacking journalism is trendy and normalized, and much of it is BS.

simiones 5y ago
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+worker+protests+site%3Anytim https://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+worker+protests+site%3Anytim... I am talking about the 2020 general strike(s) (trade unions estimate 250 million people joined, though others push for much smaller numbers): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_general_strike_of_2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_general_strike_of_2020. I have not found a single article about this in the NYT, BBC, Washington Post. The Guardian in the UK did cover these. > Do you mean the protests in support of Alabama miners? Yes, I mixed things up a bit. I have not been able to find an article about either the strike, nor the NYC protests about it. Rather amusingly, looking for UMWA or Alabama miner strikes, there are several articles about this, from ~1900s. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Alabama+miner+strike+site%3Anytimes.com&atb=v274-1&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Alabama+miner+strike+site%3Anytime... The main point I was making is that there is systematic bias on certain topics - especially workers' rights - in mainstream publications. There are other such topics as well, usually to do with the nitty gritty of US imperialism.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  I'll just note that while many call the NY Times and the 'media' biased toward liberals or progressives, you are saying they ignore essential topics. I wish all the critics would compare notes.
  - tsimionescu 5y ago
    Well, media in the USA is often being accused of being left-leaning, when in fact it is almost universally right-of-center on almost every topic, except culture issues. The claim is not necessarily that they ignore essential topics, so much as that they present a biased narrative of the world, even in the facts that they chose to cover at all - one biased against workers and against America's (perceived) enemies. The people who accuse the NY Times of being biased towards liberals or progressives often forget how pro-war they were for example, how friendly they are to the military and security apparatus in general etc.