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Hunter Biden's laptop falls under this category. Corporate media and social media companies claim "fake news" and move to censor it a month before the election.

Hunter Biden's laptop falls under this category. Corporate media and social media companies claim "fake news" and move to censor it a month before the election. An honest look at the actual reporting, as well as what followed, shows that this was not in fact the case.

long_time_gone 5y ago
==shows that this was not in fact the case.== What was not in fact the case? Can you share your evidence?
avs733 5y ago
As someone who actually engaged with that story, I found the reporting and posited facts to be incoherent and full of holes. It only made sense if one presumed the outcome. Literacy includes evaluating why something was covered by certain folks and not by others as well as the internal coherence and the inter-relationship.
- janeroe 5y ago
  > As someone who actually engaged with that story, I found the reporting and posited facts to be incoherent and full of holes. Was the story of Russians electing Trump coherent and without holes?
  - Shared404 5y ago
    https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume1.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu... It has real evidence. I can hunt down more if you like.
    - janeroe 5y ago
      Like the chemical weapons in Iraq, that kind of evidence?
      - Shared404 5y ago
        The kind of evidence provided by the GOP? Yes that kind. The senate council that had those findings was GOP lead. The GOP lies a lot, but usually for their own benefit.
        janeroe 5y ago
        > The kind of evidence provided by the GOP? Yes that kind. Do you assume I somehow care? This and then Obama's 8 years of drone bombing of weddings in Pakistan, hospitals in Afghanistan, prolongation & expansion of mass surveillance all over the world just shows how "trustworthy" your government is (or in fact, any monopoly of violence). > The GOP lies a lot, but usually for their own benefit. For whose benefit is DNC lying?
        Shared404 5y ago
        For the record I'm more of a center libertarian. I dislike both political parties, and wish we would pass ranked choice voting ASAP so we can break out of this two party system already. Both parties are corrupt. However, only one has recently tried to overthrow our entire governmental system. Edits for clarity, and to add that if someone takes an attack on their party as a personal attack, there are larger issues there (not that I am claiming you are, but it seems something worth mentioning in a discussion like this).
        janeroe 5y ago
        Nice. > wish we would pass ranked choice voting Do you believe that parties that in a joint effort "fortified" debates in 2000 to make sure no 3rd party could receive air time and wider audience, would commit political suicide introducing a mechanism that'd shake their positions? > Both parties are corrupt. However, only one has recently tried to overthrow our entire political system. I'm an outsider, is it the one that "fortified" the election [1]? I mean, Trump is an egotistical narcissist who didn't drain any swamps and probably didn't fulfill a single promise. But all those things "Trump has dementia", "he attacks the media", "writes too many executive orders like a dictator"... Weren't they just projections? Whose "press conferences" are even more disgraceful and staged than Putin's "pryamaya liniya" ("direct line")? Whose administration admits they're responsible for the censorship policies of social platforms? Who's flirting with oligarchs (not to be confused with entrepreneurs) and who lifted sanctions on Putin's pipeline while banning the building of a local one? The people from Bush administration, on whose side were they? [1]: https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
majormajor 5y ago
What did follow? Where is the evidence that we were promised to eventually be shown? If you make big claims and then don't back them up, it's hard for me to see it as "censorship" vs "hype avoidance."
- chitowneats 5y ago
  They literally suspended the account of the nation's oldest newspaper for weeks before a Presidential election "Hype avoidance" is a nice euphemism though. I'll be sure to be wary of anyone using it going forward.

long_time_gone 5y ago

==shows that this was not in fact the case.== What was not in fact the case? Can you share your evidence?

avs733 5y ago

As someone who actually engaged with that story, I found the reporting and posited facts to be incoherent and full of holes. It only made sense if one presumed the outcome. Literacy includes evaluating why something was covered by certain folks and not by others as well as the internal coherence and the inter-relationship.

janeroe 5y ago
> As someone who actually engaged with that story, I found the reporting and posited facts to be incoherent and full of holes. Was the story of Russians electing Trump coherent and without holes?
- Shared404 5y ago
  https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Report_Volume1.pdf https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu... It has real evidence. I can hunt down more if you like.
  - janeroe 5y ago
    Like the chemical weapons in Iraq, that kind of evidence?
    - Shared404 5y ago
      The kind of evidence provided by the GOP? Yes that kind. The senate council that had those findings was GOP lead. The GOP lies a lot, but usually for their own benefit.
      - janeroe 5y ago
        > The kind of evidence provided by the GOP? Yes that kind. Do you assume I somehow care? This and then Obama's 8 years of drone bombing of weddings in Pakistan, hospitals in Afghanistan, prolongation & expansion of mass surveillance all over the world just shows how "trustworthy" your government is (or in fact, any monopoly of violence). > The GOP lies a lot, but usually for their own benefit. For whose benefit is DNC lying?
        Shared404 5y ago
        For the record I'm more of a center libertarian. I dislike both political parties, and wish we would pass ranked choice voting ASAP so we can break out of this two party system already. Both parties are corrupt. However, only one has recently tried to overthrow our entire governmental system. Edits for clarity, and to add that if someone takes an attack on their party as a personal attack, there are larger issues there (not that I am claiming you are, but it seems something worth mentioning in a discussion like this).
        janeroe 5y ago
        Nice. > wish we would pass ranked choice voting Do you believe that parties that in a joint effort "fortified" debates in 2000 to make sure no 3rd party could receive air time and wider audience, would commit political suicide introducing a mechanism that'd shake their positions? > Both parties are corrupt. However, only one has recently tried to overthrow our entire political system. I'm an outsider, is it the one that "fortified" the election [1]? I mean, Trump is an egotistical narcissist who didn't drain any swamps and probably didn't fulfill a single promise. But all those things "Trump has dementia", "he attacks the media", "writes too many executive orders like a dictator"... Weren't they just projections? Whose "press conferences" are even more disgraceful and staged than Putin's "pryamaya liniya" ("direct line")? Whose administration admits they're responsible for the censorship policies of social platforms? Who's flirting with oligarchs (not to be confused with entrepreneurs) and who lifted sanctions on Putin's pipeline while banning the building of a local one? The people from Bush administration, on whose side were they? [1]: https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

majormajor 5y ago

What did follow? Where is the evidence that we were promised to eventually be shown? If you make big claims and then don't back them up, it's hard for me to see it as "censorship" vs "hype avoidance."

chitowneats 5y ago
They literally suspended the account of the nation's oldest newspaper for weeks before a Presidential election "Hype avoidance" is a nice euphemism though. I'll be sure to be wary of anyone using it going forward.