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Growing up in Illinois and going to public schools, I have to say this is just making the situation worse. My wife (who went to the same school district) and I

Growing up in Illinois and going to public schools, I have to say this is just making the situation worse. My wife (who went to the same school district) and I both recall situations where politics were in the classroom. I recall in grade school with vivid detail my teacher saying “anyone who voted for bush is an idiot” and kids in the class becoming upset and the teacher doubling down. My entire time at school (through college) conservatives were demonized. Quite literally, I watched teachers call them evil. Anyone who spoke out would get punished. You could see the unequal treatment. Conservatives are against equality, their racists, they cut education budgets, etc. when have any one here seen positive discussion about conservatives in your lives? think about it. Just last year, during the pandemic, my wife’s younger brother was doing a zoom class behind me. His teacher was telling the students in home economics that “we need to reduce taxes or give universal income to black people”. She went on and on about inequity and how whites were evil. I’m sure some of you believe I’m being hyperbolic, but here’s a near by school district: https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/critical-race-theory-illinois-teacher-sues-district-over-equity-push/ https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/critical-race-theory-i... This will be just a further weapon to indoctrinate and marginalize. People I know in the younger generations (in their 20s) who are conservatives are scared to speak and have been for years. Now let’s consider something they may teach.. are they going to teach to check citations? I want you to open CNN or MSNBC right now, look at a few articles and check the citations. You’ll see why this is a problem.

wolverine876 5y ago
> I recall in grade school with vivid detail my teacher saying “anyone who voted for bush is an idiot” I never encountered anything like it or met anyone who did. My teachers always taught us to think critically; they didn't care what the topic was or what our conclusions were; it was about learning to think. Is there any research, such as a survey, of student experiences of political speech by teachers? I'm sure we can find a few examples of anything, but we also all know well that there's a political group that is trying to denigrate and politicize every institution, from the media to schools to the FBI to the courts to scientists, etc. by saying they are biased toward liberals. Repeating its claims doesn't help; if we are going to think critically about it, and we should, we need some credible evidence.
- lettergram 5y ago
  To be fair, I’m not sure where you grew up. I was in a low ranked school district, and I’m sure there are always a few (perhaps many) bad apples. You also probably wouldn’t see this behavior if you didn’t deviate from the approved path. isn’t the classic argument that being black in America is awful and whites can’t understand because they aren’t marginalized? I actually agree to an extent, but only so far as people don’t realize how it feels to be on the outside, unless that’s at there or have experienced it. That being said, there’s a long list I can cite. Differing world views lead to dramatically different understandings in even interpretation. An excellent example, my friend and I in school had to do an essay on the impacts of global warming. We chose the impact on animal populations in the Arctic, as there was a news article about some poor starving polar bears. Turns out (at the time) the population of polar bears and other animals was booming (while a few were decreasing). We showed some graphs, we were surprised about this honestly. We failed because “we didn’t show the impact of global warming” - seriously, I don’t have evidence, but it’s an ideological world view that teachers push. In my AP government class in high school it was so bad the students would scream at the teacher. He had to regularly remove and suspend kids for getting aggressive at what they were being taught. Believe it or not, idk It was a personal experience. > I'm sure we can find a few examples of anything, but we also all know well that there's a political group that is trying to denigrate and politicize every institution, from the media to schools to the FBI to the courts to scientists, etc. by saying they are biased toward liberals. Repeating its claims doesn't help; if we are going to think critically about it, and we should, we need some credible evidence. I linked a lawsuit. You can also request the ciriculum from school districts you live in. You can also attend school board meetings. I urge you to do so and see for yourself.
zapataband1 5y ago
I'll take your anecdote and tell you I never experienced anything like this from teachers in public school in IL. Conservatives aren't demonized they are just disliked because of their political party affiliation and the actions of their elected representatives. I like conservatives, I would even say I love them, but I think they have moronic brain-dead opinions especially on things like CRT that they don't understand.
- lettergram 5y ago
  “Not demonized” just “Moronic [and] brain-dead” yeah sure. Lol As I’m sure you’re aware, CRT discusses implicit bias and how to mitigate.. perhaps apply it outside of race?
  - zapataband1 5y ago
    Mornonic and brain-dead ___opinions___ and yes I can think you're stupid as hell and still like you
rootusrootus 5y ago
> People I know in the younger generations (in their 20s) who are conservatives are scared to speak and have been for years. I haven't noticed this at all. The only time I've seen widespread silence from my conservative friends & family is after January 6th of this year. Could just be my circle, but almost all of them have gone radio silent, nothing at all to say any more. But before that they were definitely anything but quiet.

wolverine876 5y ago

> I recall in grade school with vivid detail my teacher saying “anyone who voted for bush is an idiot” I never encountered anything like it or met anyone who did. My teachers always taught us to think critically; they didn't care what the topic was or what our conclusions were; it was about learning to think. Is there any research, such as a survey, of student experiences of political speech by teachers? I'm sure we can find a few examples of anything, but we also all know well that there's a political group that is trying to denigrate and politicize every institution, from the media to schools to the FBI to the courts to scientists, etc. by saying they are biased toward liberals. Repeating its claims doesn't help; if we are going to think critically about it, and we should, we need some credible evidence.

lettergram 5y ago
To be fair, I’m not sure where you grew up. I was in a low ranked school district, and I’m sure there are always a few (perhaps many) bad apples. You also probably wouldn’t see this behavior if you didn’t deviate from the approved path. isn’t the classic argument that being black in America is awful and whites can’t understand because they aren’t marginalized? I actually agree to an extent, but only so far as people don’t realize how it feels to be on the outside, unless that’s at there or have experienced it. That being said, there’s a long list I can cite. Differing world views lead to dramatically different understandings in even interpretation. An excellent example, my friend and I in school had to do an essay on the impacts of global warming. We chose the impact on animal populations in the Arctic, as there was a news article about some poor starving polar bears. Turns out (at the time) the population of polar bears and other animals was booming (while a few were decreasing). We showed some graphs, we were surprised about this honestly. We failed because “we didn’t show the impact of global warming” - seriously, I don’t have evidence, but it’s an ideological world view that teachers push. In my AP government class in high school it was so bad the students would scream at the teacher. He had to regularly remove and suspend kids for getting aggressive at what they were being taught. Believe it or not, idk It was a personal experience. > I'm sure we can find a few examples of anything, but we also all know well that there's a political group that is trying to denigrate and politicize every institution, from the media to schools to the FBI to the courts to scientists, etc. by saying they are biased toward liberals. Repeating its claims doesn't help; if we are going to think critically about it, and we should, we need some credible evidence. I linked a lawsuit. You can also request the ciriculum from school districts you live in. You can also attend school board meetings. I urge you to do so and see for yourself.

zapataband1 5y ago

I'll take your anecdote and tell you I never experienced anything like this from teachers in public school in IL. Conservatives aren't demonized they are just disliked because of their political party affiliation and the actions of their elected representatives. I like conservatives, I would even say I love them, but I think they have moronic brain-dead opinions especially on things like CRT that they don't understand.

lettergram 5y ago
“Not demonized” just “Moronic [and] brain-dead” yeah sure. Lol As I’m sure you’re aware, CRT discusses implicit bias and how to mitigate.. perhaps apply it outside of race?
- zapataband1 5y ago
  Mornonic and brain-dead ___opinions___ and yes I can think you're stupid as hell and still like you

rootusrootus 5y ago

> People I know in the younger generations (in their 20s) who are conservatives are scared to speak and have been for years. I haven't noticed this at all. The only time I've seen widespread silence from my conservative friends & family is after January 6th of this year. Could just be my circle, but almost all of them have gone radio silent, nothing at all to say any more. But before that they were definitely anything but quiet.