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frankly how did this even start? Lockdown is the kind of garbage "solution" that only a certain regime could come up with and it does suit their governing style

by nsonha 5y ago

frankly how did this even start? Lockdown is the kind of garbage "solution" that only a certain regime could come up with and it does suit their governing style, how that spreaded over the whole world is beyond me.

rsynnott 5y ago
For a variety of reasons (tl;dr - _horrendous_ government mismanagement), Australia has a very low vaccination rate, even in the elderly and vulnerable. So, given Delta, they have a very simple choice here; harsh lockdowns, or get building surplus crematorium capacity. You can see why they're opting for the first. This isn't to excuse the Australian government; it's largely a mess of their own making. But given where they are, they don't have much of a choice right now.
- charbonneau 5y ago
  Definition of "true dichotomy" (plural: true dichotomies): A situation in which two alternative points of view are presented as the only options, because no other are available. // Example: harsh lockdowns, or get building surplus crematorium capacity
  - rsynnott 5y ago
    I mean, what's your alternative? Asking the virus nicely not to kill the elderly? Given the nature of Delta and the very low vaccination rate, Australia has limited good options here.
    - 6510 5y ago
      If a place is no longer safe for some people should the solution be to shut down that place? Or burn down? People lose their business, their job, their home, their savings, go into debt, hospitals are full. At some ratio evacuation should be preferred. Of course one wants to stay where one is but if the price is to see that place destroyed in front of your eyes it doesn't seem worth it.
    - charbonneau 5y ago
      No alternative. Harsh lockdowns are the way to go. After detecting a single COVID-19 case, we should lock everything down [1]. No talking allowed [2]. There are no potential side effects [3]. Welcome to SimCity™ [1] https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-08-12/australia-capital-canberra-lockdown-single-coronavirus-infection https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-08-12/austra... [2] https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1425516408121696259 https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/14255164081... [3] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9884297/Covid-19-UK-Nearly-one-million-people-England-addicted-alcohol-pandemic.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9884297/Covid-19-...
    - nsonha 5y ago
      It seems the person agrees with you by saying "true" instead of "false dichotomy" I don't, it's funny that the decision to stop __eveything__ to "save lives" can be done at a finger snap, no due process, yet banning __just__ guns (or replace it with just tobacco, fastfood, teflon... other things that kill) seems impossible to get pass debates.

by nsonha 5y ago

rsynnott 5y ago

For a variety of reasons (tl;dr - _horrendous_ government mismanagement), Australia has a very low vaccination rate, even in the elderly and vulnerable. So, given Delta, they have a very simple choice here; harsh lockdowns, or get building surplus crematorium capacity. You can see why they're opting for the first. This isn't to excuse the Australian government; it's largely a mess of their own making. But given where they are, they don't have much of a choice right now.

charbonneau 5y ago
Definition of "true dichotomy" (plural: true dichotomies): A situation in which two alternative points of view are presented as the only options, because no other are available. // Example: harsh lockdowns, or get building surplus crematorium capacity
- rsynnott 5y ago
  I mean, what's your alternative? Asking the virus nicely not to kill the elderly? Given the nature of Delta and the very low vaccination rate, Australia has limited good options here.
  - 6510 5y ago
    If a place is no longer safe for some people should the solution be to shut down that place? Or burn down? People lose their business, their job, their home, their savings, go into debt, hospitals are full. At some ratio evacuation should be preferred. Of course one wants to stay where one is but if the price is to see that place destroyed in front of your eyes it doesn't seem worth it.
  - charbonneau 5y ago
    No alternative. Harsh lockdowns are the way to go. After detecting a single COVID-19 case, we should lock everything down [1]. No talking allowed [2]. There are no potential side effects [3]. Welcome to SimCity™ [1] https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-08-12/australia-capital-canberra-lockdown-single-coronavirus-infection https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-08-12/austra... [2] https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1425516408121696259 https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/14255164081... [3] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9884297/Covid-19-UK-Nearly-one-million-people-England-addicted-alcohol-pandemic.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9884297/Covid-19-...
  - nsonha 5y ago
    It seems the person agrees with you by saying "true" instead of "false dichotomy" I don't, it's funny that the decision to stop __eveything__ to "save lives" can be done at a finger snap, no due process, yet banning __just__ guns (or replace it with just tobacco, fastfood, teflon... other things that kill) seems impossible to get pass debates.