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Anybody else feeling a bit weird at how her (massive) picture is the first thing in the page, as opposed to a picture about the project itself? And anybody else

by tunnuz 5y ago

Anybody else feeling a bit weird at how her (massive) picture is the first thing in the page, as opposed to a picture about the project itself? And anybody else feeling that this is only the case because she looks good, almost if her looks was more important than her hard-earned Senior Principal Engineer position?

schmorptron 5y ago
This is a really good discussion to be had. There is an argument to be made about putting traditionally underrepresented groups of people front and center in articles like this, but it all depends on if she requested(or was explicitly in agreement with) this / chose the picture herself, or if other interviews on the same site do the same thing with male engineers IMO. Definitely agree that >"almost if her looks was more important than her hard-earned Senior Principal Engineer position" seems to be a real problem for many women in the industry, and I really hope we can overcome this soon.
- tunnuz 5y ago
  Definitely, I know nothing of the origin of the picture. I have a daughter that I am hoping will get excited about STEM. I am, as I think everybody should be, very much in favor of increasing the representation of underrepresented groups of people. But this just seems like an odd editorial choice. For comparison: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16762/an-anandtech-interview-with-jim-keller-laziest-person-at-tesla https://www.anandtech.com/show/16762/an-anandtech-interview-... this is the picture size of a male interviewee. It's less than half the size of the other one.
  - mhh__ 5y ago
    That is a photo off what looks like a laptop camera though, if it were the same size it'd look awful. Point taken though
  - schmorptron 5y ago
    Yeah I'm completely with you that this is a really odd choice. Just wanted to think about an alternate reason why they could've made that choice but your initial assessment seems way more likely, sadly.
  - wtallis 5y ago
    > It's less than half the size of the other one. It's the same width. The site always shows the cover image at the full width of the article. If that image doesn't have a fairly wide aspect ratio, then it pushes the article text relatively further down.
- rjsw 5y ago
  I'm guessing the photo came from Intel, can't see many interviews being done in person right now. There was a similar presentation for another recent interview [1] with an Intel person. [1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16608/intels-full-enterprise-portfolio-an-interview-with-vp-of-xeon-lisa-spelman https://www.anandtech.com/show/16608/intels-full-enterprise-...
  - namibj 5y ago
    It was indeed done remote, you can watch/listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlB6tsLiY0w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlB6tsLiY0w
hulitu 5y ago
The interview is also more about pictures (what intel wants you to see) than about reality. A lot of political talk without substance. The only thing i got that they want to have a sort of vendor agnostic datacenter.
- trhway 5y ago
  it is just another country club style board, countless in the industry, for VPs to fill their calendar and to mingle/network. Tech wise - Intel is like those generals fighting the last war while the world is moving forward. It is a very strong contrast with the NVidia presentation of their new architecture with that Grace CPU, etc. - this is what near future looks like.
jsty 5y ago
If you click through to the interview topic [0], it lists another article [1] with exactly the same format of a large profile shot pre-article. Makes sense to me - it follows the usual style of interviews having a photo of the interviewee front and centre, and after all they're interviewing a person not a rack of servers. [0] https://www.anandtech.com/tag/interviews https://www.anandtech.com/tag/interviews [1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16762/an-anandtech-interview-with-jim-keller-laziest-person-at-tesla https://www.anandtech.com/show/16762/an-anandtech-interview-...
IfOnlyYouKnew 5y ago
Of course the top post is misogynistic bullshit accusing her of getting special treatment for her looks, even though the idea is easily disproven by checking out the other ‘interview” style article on the site, which is two click away and also features a large photo of the subject. It starts with questions about the photo, and the next guy piles on and characterizes the interview as “political, not technical”, because, apparently interviews that require footnotes explaining that “an average PUE is 1.4-2.0, bad PUE is 2.5+“ are just too fluffy for real nerds. (As to the size, which someone invokes to save this accusation, below: both are scaled to the width of the content, only one happens to be landscape while the other is in what’s literally called “portrait” format)
- tunnuz 5y ago
  Sorry but I wasn’t trying to say that she’s getting special treatment. That’s not what I said or what I meant. And I’m sorry that my comment was perceived as misogynistic, the spirit was quite the opposite.
  - acomjean 5y ago
    So what was your point in posting the original post? You post seems to be just a comment on the page layout and speculation about it based on her appearance. Its almost certainly a company stock photo of her. The page layout is bad, (she's looking off the page, which makes it awkward) but its the tech news web (moving ads, almost unreadable without reader view...).
tbrownaw 5y ago
> Anybody else feeling a bit weird at how her (massive) picture is the first thing in the page, as opposed to a picture about the project itself? No. Despite the value of "on the Internet, nobody knows you're (a dog|not wearing pants)", it's unfortunately become fairly common for even things that aren't about people to focus on pictures of people. > And anybody else feeling that this is only the case because she looks good, almost if her looks was more important than her hard-earned Senior Principal Engineer position? No, because I haven't been living under a rock and I've noticed that pictures of people are standard practice these days even for tech-related things.
hhh 5y ago
No, it's an interview first man not a whitepaper.
unixhero 5y ago
Hot girls sell. Plain and simple. It's everywhere, thanks to gender quotas on boards and in teams, you can expect more of it. The hot girls and the pretty girls are picked first. You may want to downvote this comment, but these are the facts as I have observed them. EDIT: The same story applies to guys btw.

by tunnuz 5y ago

schmorptron 5y ago

This is a really good discussion to be had. There is an argument to be made about putting traditionally underrepresented groups of people front and center in articles like this, but it all depends on if she requested(or was explicitly in agreement with) this / chose the picture herself, or if other interviews on the same site do the same thing with male engineers IMO. Definitely agree that >"almost if her looks was more important than her hard-earned Senior Principal Engineer position" seems to be a real problem for many women in the industry, and I really hope we can overcome this soon.

tunnuz 5y ago
Definitely, I know nothing of the origin of the picture. I have a daughter that I am hoping will get excited about STEM. I am, as I think everybody should be, very much in favor of increasing the representation of underrepresented groups of people. But this just seems like an odd editorial choice. For comparison: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16762/an-anandtech-interview-with-jim-keller-laziest-person-at-tesla https://www.anandtech.com/show/16762/an-anandtech-interview-... this is the picture size of a male interviewee. It's less than half the size of the other one.
- mhh__ 5y ago
  That is a photo off what looks like a laptop camera though, if it were the same size it'd look awful. Point taken though
- schmorptron 5y ago
  Yeah I'm completely with you that this is a really odd choice. Just wanted to think about an alternate reason why they could've made that choice but your initial assessment seems way more likely, sadly.
- wtallis 5y ago
  > It's less than half the size of the other one. It's the same width. The site always shows the cover image at the full width of the article. If that image doesn't have a fairly wide aspect ratio, then it pushes the article text relatively further down.
rjsw 5y ago
I'm guessing the photo came from Intel, can't see many interviews being done in person right now. There was a similar presentation for another recent interview [1] with an Intel person. [1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16608/intels-full-enterprise-portfolio-an-interview-with-vp-of-xeon-lisa-spelman https://www.anandtech.com/show/16608/intels-full-enterprise-...
- namibj 5y ago
  It was indeed done remote, you can watch/listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlB6tsLiY0w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlB6tsLiY0w

hulitu 5y ago

The interview is also more about pictures (what intel wants you to see) than about reality. A lot of political talk without substance. The only thing i got that they want to have a sort of vendor agnostic datacenter.

trhway 5y ago
it is just another country club style board, countless in the industry, for VPs to fill their calendar and to mingle/network. Tech wise - Intel is like those generals fighting the last war while the world is moving forward. It is a very strong contrast with the NVidia presentation of their new architecture with that Grace CPU, etc. - this is what near future looks like.

jsty 5y ago

If you click through to the interview topic [0], it lists another article [1] with exactly the same format of a large profile shot pre-article. Makes sense to me - it follows the usual style of interviews having a photo of the interviewee front and centre, and after all they're interviewing a person not a rack of servers. [0] https://www.anandtech.com/tag/interviews https://www.anandtech.com/tag/interviews [1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16762/an-anandtech-interview-with-jim-keller-laziest-person-at-tesla https://www.anandtech.com/show/16762/an-anandtech-interview-...

IfOnlyYouKnew 5y ago

Of course the top post is misogynistic bullshit accusing her of getting special treatment for her looks, even though the idea is easily disproven by checking out the other ‘interview” style article on the site, which is two click away and also features a large photo of the subject. It starts with questions about the photo, and the next guy piles on and characterizes the interview as “political, not technical”, because, apparently interviews that require footnotes explaining that “an average PUE is 1.4-2.0, bad PUE is 2.5+“ are just too fluffy for real nerds. (As to the size, which someone invokes to save this accusation, below: both are scaled to the width of the content, only one happens to be landscape while the other is in what’s literally called “portrait” format)

tunnuz 5y ago
Sorry but I wasn’t trying to say that she’s getting special treatment. That’s not what I said or what I meant. And I’m sorry that my comment was perceived as misogynistic, the spirit was quite the opposite.
- acomjean 5y ago
  So what was your point in posting the original post? You post seems to be just a comment on the page layout and speculation about it based on her appearance. Its almost certainly a company stock photo of her. The page layout is bad, (she's looking off the page, which makes it awkward) but its the tech news web (moving ads, almost unreadable without reader view...).

tbrownaw 5y ago

> Anybody else feeling a bit weird at how her (massive) picture is the first thing in the page, as opposed to a picture about the project itself? No. Despite the value of "on the Internet, nobody knows you're (a dog|not wearing pants)", it's unfortunately become fairly common for even things that aren't about people to focus on pictures of people. > And anybody else feeling that this is only the case because she looks good, almost if her looks was more important than her hard-earned Senior Principal Engineer position? No, because I haven't been living under a rock and I've noticed that pictures of people are standard practice these days even for tech-related things.

hhh 5y ago

No, it's an interview first man not a whitepaper.

unixhero 5y ago

Hot girls sell. Plain and simple. It's everywhere, thanks to gender quotas on boards and in teams, you can expect more of it. The hot girls and the pretty girls are picked first. You may want to downvote this comment, but these are the facts as I have observed them. EDIT: The same story applies to guys btw.