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Cannot agree more with you. Fingers crossed that "scientific process" is not influenced by political/economic agenda.

willmadden 5y ago
It's a little late to cross your fingers. We're mandating vaccination with leaky vaccines that are forcing immune escape and creating more variants...
- prohobo 5y ago
  While this comment does make assertions that are still questionable, I think the spirit of it rings true. The scientific process has already been subverted for political gain. It's natural for people to distrust governments and committees which have proven themselves untrustworthy - and to come up with their own explanations for what's happening, whether accurate or not. The funny thing about combatting "misinformation" is that it requires that you either dissolve democratic processes and implement totalitarian measures, or you simply regain the trust of the people. We all know which option was chosen.
  - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
    >or you simply regain the trust of the people. The tricky thing is that it’s not only political. People can also get rich and famous by peddling misinformation online. Rather than suppress information, we need to dismantle the incentive structure that rewards people for spreading lies.
    - willmadden 5y ago
      Let's be honest, the people with the financial conflict of interest are the owners of the pharmaceutical companies, the employees on the payroll of the pharma companies, the doctors who are paid to prescribe their drugs, the politicians whose campaigns they finance, and the regulatory agencies they fund. People on the internet pointing out the glaring issues with all of this aren't making anywhere near as much money, and most aren't making money at all. I'm not making a dime. I've been moderating coronavirus forums for free since January 2020, reviewing papers, and judging whether things were misinformation. What I saw was that the virus was burning out in May 2020, but we ramped up PCR testing and started testing healthy people using a way too high cycle count. All this did was inflate the perception of danger and sustain the panic. Private hospitals were (and still are) being paid to diagnose COVID. 94% of COVID deaths were actually deaths with COVID and an average of >2 comorbidities at an age averaging about the normal life expectancy. I saw therapeutics like HCQ and Ivermectin smeared fraudulently. I saw common sense therapeutics like Zinc, Quercetin, and Vitamin D (which are incredibly effective at mitigating COVID) ignored. It was 100% vaccines, lockdowns, masks, and nothing else, even though the research clearly showed that this was a nonsensical approach. From there I became more and more flabbergasted at the disinformation coming from official sources and the media, especially around the safety and efficacy of these mRNA therapeutics.
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago
  >vaccines create more variants There is no evidence that the vaccine is creating more variants or forcing immune escape. All current variants of concern emerged before the vaccine was available. Uncontrolled infection leads to immune escape. Please realize that by spreading misinformation, you may inadvertently convince a vulnerable person to skip the vaccine.
  - nieve 5y ago
    I think you may mean "deliberately" instead of "inadvertently".

It's a little late to cross your fingers. We're mandating vaccination with leaky vaccines that are forcing immune escape and creating more variants...

prohobo 5y ago
While this comment does make assertions that are still questionable, I think the spirit of it rings true. The scientific process has already been subverted for political gain. It's natural for people to distrust governments and committees which have proven themselves untrustworthy - and to come up with their own explanations for what's happening, whether accurate or not. The funny thing about combatting "misinformation" is that it requires that you either dissolve democratic processes and implement totalitarian measures, or you simply regain the trust of the people. We all know which option was chosen.
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago
  >or you simply regain the trust of the people. The tricky thing is that it’s not only political. People can also get rich and famous by peddling misinformation online. Rather than suppress information, we need to dismantle the incentive structure that rewards people for spreading lies.
  - willmadden 5y ago
    Let's be honest, the people with the financial conflict of interest are the owners of the pharmaceutical companies, the employees on the payroll of the pharma companies, the doctors who are paid to prescribe their drugs, the politicians whose campaigns they finance, and the regulatory agencies they fund. People on the internet pointing out the glaring issues with all of this aren't making anywhere near as much money, and most aren't making money at all. I'm not making a dime. I've been moderating coronavirus forums for free since January 2020, reviewing papers, and judging whether things were misinformation. What I saw was that the virus was burning out in May 2020, but we ramped up PCR testing and started testing healthy people using a way too high cycle count. All this did was inflate the perception of danger and sustain the panic. Private hospitals were (and still are) being paid to diagnose COVID. 94% of COVID deaths were actually deaths with COVID and an average of >2 comorbidities at an age averaging about the normal life expectancy. I saw therapeutics like HCQ and Ivermectin smeared fraudulently. I saw common sense therapeutics like Zinc, Quercetin, and Vitamin D (which are incredibly effective at mitigating COVID) ignored. It was 100% vaccines, lockdowns, masks, and nothing else, even though the research clearly showed that this was a nonsensical approach. From there I became more and more flabbergasted at the disinformation coming from official sources and the media, especially around the safety and efficacy of these mRNA therapeutics.
jasonlaramburu 5y ago
>vaccines create more variants There is no evidence that the vaccine is creating more variants or forcing immune escape. All current variants of concern emerged before the vaccine was available. Uncontrolled infection leads to immune escape. Please realize that by spreading misinformation, you may inadvertently convince a vulnerable person to skip the vaccine.
- nieve 5y ago
  I think you may mean "deliberately" instead of "inadvertently".