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Because the comment is exactly what Tesla argues you have to do but then the unnamed called it morally wrong. Yet, when other systems are found vulnerable to dr

by babesh 5y ago

Because the comment is exactly what Tesla argues you have to do but then the unnamed called it morally wrong. Yet, when other systems are found vulnerable to driver hacking, the unnamed falls back to the same argument that Tesla uses, namely driver responsibility. Go ahead and flag this comment as well if you want Hacker News. Tesla “While using Autopilot, it is your responsibility to stay alert, keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times and maintain control of your car.” Unnamed regarding Tesla Autopilot “Morally wrong”, “intentionally misleading” Unnamed regarding this report about other car makers “ the responsibility clearly lies with the driver. If you "cheat" or ignore the system and there is any type of negative outcome, it is the driver's fault” Furthermore, when another comment points out that other automakers have similar naming to Autopilot, said unnamed says it is just marketing pressure. 1+1=2, not 3 as per guidelines

babesh 5y ago
In fact, the article, as read by a human, highlights Cadillac’s Super Cruise. Now the human who did actual research went to Cadillac’s site which touts “ Offered on the 2018-2020 CT6, 2021 CT4, CT5 and Escalade, and forthcoming 2023 LYRIQ, available Super Cruise is the first true hands-free driving-assistance feature for compatible roads (2021 CT4 and CT5: late availability expected summer 2021).” First true hands-free driving-assistance feature for compatible roads Would this be considered morally wrong or driver responsibility?
darkerside 5y ago
Other carmakers aren't doing shit like this https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-autopilot-60-minutes-interview/ https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-autopilot-60-min...
- babesh 5y ago
  Aren't they? https://youtu.be/zq43DQ9yVJY https://youtu.be/zq43DQ9yVJY Engineer who created it without hands on wheel! https://youtu.be/rfV8fqYaHx8 https://youtu.be/rfV8fqYaHx8 How about dealer with both hands behind their head while saying "Look ma, no hands". “ Offered on the 2018-2020 CT6, 2021 CT4, CT5 and Escalade, and forthcoming 2023 LYRIQ, available Super Cruise is the first true hands-free driving-assistance feature for compatible roads (2021 CT4 and CT5: late availability expected summer 2021).”
  - darkerside 5y ago
    Those aren't the CEO of the company with a vertically integrated supply and retail chain
    - babesh 5y ago
      And an unnamed entity ignores the marketing that says hands-free driving and excuses marketing from the engineer and from the dealer. And more, directly from Cadillac. — Cadillac website, headline description of Super Cruise https://www.cadillac.com/ownership/vehicle-technology/super-cruise https://www.cadillac.com/ownership/vehicle-technology/super-... “Designed to take your hands and breath away” — Cadillac Super Cruise ads on YouTube https://youtube.com/playlist?list=RDQMwyZZ5Gf05dA&playnext=1 https://youtube.com/playlist?list=RDQMwyZZ5Gf05dA&playnext=1 First Cadillac video ad, 1:11 “Well since I can use my hands, I’m going to have a cookie.” unwraps cookie with two hands Second Cadillac video ad, 0:50 Sofia Vergara doing her lipstick with two hands — Hahahahahahahahaha! In one case, you have a CEO who takes their hand away but the fine print says always keep your hands on the wheel. Unnamed entity finds that morally wrong. In the other, all material from the company says that you can take your hands off the wheel. In addition, you have videos of an engineer responsible for Super Cruise doing so as well as a dealer driving with both hands behind their head as well as advertising when someone unwraps a cookie with both hands as well as Sofia Vergara doing her lipstick. Apparently, this is not morally wrong.
      - babesh 5y ago
        Apparently, one CEO is responsible and the other isn't responsible for all marketing and ads. Hahaha
        babesh 5y ago
        This comparison just sold me on how morally wrong it is what Cadillac is doing. Intentionally misleading and marketing to customers a feature called Super Cruise that is only a marginal improvement on what other cars already offer. What if Volvo started calling their (clearly not independent) feature Super Cruise and saying it was the future of hands-free driving? Seems inexcusable. Jajajaja

by babesh 5y ago

babesh 5y ago

In fact, the article, as read by a human, highlights Cadillac’s Super Cruise. Now the human who did actual research went to Cadillac’s site which touts “ Offered on the 2018-2020 CT6, 2021 CT4, CT5 and Escalade, and forthcoming 2023 LYRIQ, available Super Cruise is the first true hands-free driving-assistance feature for compatible roads (2021 CT4 and CT5: late availability expected summer 2021).” First true hands-free driving-assistance feature for compatible roads Would this be considered morally wrong or driver responsibility?

darkerside 5y ago

Other carmakers aren't doing shit like this https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-autopilot-60-minutes-interview/ https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-autopilot-60-min...

babesh 5y ago
Aren't they? https://youtu.be/zq43DQ9yVJY https://youtu.be/zq43DQ9yVJY Engineer who created it without hands on wheel! https://youtu.be/rfV8fqYaHx8 https://youtu.be/rfV8fqYaHx8 How about dealer with both hands behind their head while saying "Look ma, no hands". “ Offered on the 2018-2020 CT6, 2021 CT4, CT5 and Escalade, and forthcoming 2023 LYRIQ, available Super Cruise is the first true hands-free driving-assistance feature for compatible roads (2021 CT4 and CT5: late availability expected summer 2021).”
- darkerside 5y ago
  Those aren't the CEO of the company with a vertically integrated supply and retail chain
  - babesh 5y ago
    And an unnamed entity ignores the marketing that says hands-free driving and excuses marketing from the engineer and from the dealer. And more, directly from Cadillac. — Cadillac website, headline description of Super Cruise https://www.cadillac.com/ownership/vehicle-technology/super-cruise https://www.cadillac.com/ownership/vehicle-technology/super-... “Designed to take your hands and breath away” — Cadillac Super Cruise ads on YouTube https://youtube.com/playlist?list=RDQMwyZZ5Gf05dA&playnext=1 https://youtube.com/playlist?list=RDQMwyZZ5Gf05dA&playnext=1 First Cadillac video ad, 1:11 “Well since I can use my hands, I’m going to have a cookie.” unwraps cookie with two hands Second Cadillac video ad, 0:50 Sofia Vergara doing her lipstick with two hands — Hahahahahahahahaha! In one case, you have a CEO who takes their hand away but the fine print says always keep your hands on the wheel. Unnamed entity finds that morally wrong. In the other, all material from the company says that you can take your hands off the wheel. In addition, you have videos of an engineer responsible for Super Cruise doing so as well as a dealer driving with both hands behind their head as well as advertising when someone unwraps a cookie with both hands as well as Sofia Vergara doing her lipstick. Apparently, this is not morally wrong.
    - babesh 5y ago
      Apparently, one CEO is responsible and the other isn't responsible for all marketing and ads. Hahaha
      - babesh 5y ago
        This comparison just sold me on how morally wrong it is what Cadillac is doing. Intentionally misleading and marketing to customers a feature called Super Cruise that is only a marginal improvement on what other cars already offer. What if Volvo started calling their (clearly not independent) feature Super Cruise and saying it was the future of hands-free driving? Seems inexcusable. Jajajaja