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Interesting bit that I worked out the other day that might be non-obvious for those not familiar with the demographics of Norway: The 76 people that were kille

by wheels 15y ago

Interesting bit that I worked out the other day that might be non-obvious for those not familiar with the demographics of Norway: The 76 people that were killed in the attacks is a larger percentage of the country than the 4000 killed in the US on September 11th. So, despite the absolute numbers being far smaller, presumably the psychological impact is of a similar magnitude. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%2876+%2F+%28population+of+Norway%29%29%2C+%284000+%2F+%28population+of+usa%29%29 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%2876+%2F+%28population...

JeanPierre 15y ago
It's hard to compare the events and the psychological impact, but keep in mind that most of the victims are children, came from all over the country and knew the PM and rest of the parliament, especially the Labour party. As far as I know, September 11 was an attack that killed people who worked in office and affected people who lived in or near New York the most, and did not hurt Bush administration like the Oslo-attack did. I would suspect that may make it worse to bear for the Norwegian people, but as stated, it's hard to compare.
- jdminhbg 15y ago
  The September 11 attacks also struck the Pentagon in Washington, DC, which would have the same effect on members of the American administration.
  - politician 15y ago
    Did anyone die in those attacks? Didn't the plane hit a segment of the Pentagon which was under construction and unoccupied?
    - jdminhbg 15y ago
      Yes, 125 people died at the Pentagon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks#Casualties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks#Casualties
      - politician 15y ago
        Ah I see, that area of the Pentagon was under renovation but not entirely unoccupied at the time of the attacks. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon#September_11_attacks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon#September_11_attac...).
    - bennylope 15y ago
      There is a memorial for those who died on the Pentagon's western boundary http://www.whs.mil/memorial/ http://www.whs.mil/memorial/
temphn 15y ago
What I don't understand is why we aren't being asked to look into the root causes of Breivik's terroristic impulses. Shouldn't the PM state that "Norwegian nationalism is peace" and visit a Christian church which has partially denounced the Knights Templar, to pour some oil on the troubled waters? It's very important for the Norwegian state to show that it is not at war with Christians. Not all Christian anti-immigrationists are terrorists, after all, and it would be stereotyping to make such a generalization.
jeremyswank 15y ago
why try to quantify the unquantifiable?
- wccrawford 15y ago
  Human nature.
kluge 15y ago
Another fact to contrast the magnitude is the fact than in 2009 there was a total of 31 homicides in Norway. This attack produced more than two years of homicide victims. http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/00/minifakta_en/en/main_03.html http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/00/minifakta_en/en/main_0...
- trafficlight 15y ago
  Wow. That's incredible. In Montana we have just shy of 1 million people. According to the stats there were 28 murders in 2009. Montana is a very safe state and that's still 5 times Norway's murder rate.

by wheels 15y ago

JeanPierre 15y ago

It's hard to compare the events and the psychological impact, but keep in mind that most of the victims are children, came from all over the country and knew the PM and rest of the parliament, especially the Labour party. As far as I know, September 11 was an attack that killed people who worked in office and affected people who lived in or near New York the most, and did not hurt Bush administration like the Oslo-attack did. I would suspect that may make it worse to bear for the Norwegian people, but as stated, it's hard to compare.

jdminhbg 15y ago
The September 11 attacks also struck the Pentagon in Washington, DC, which would have the same effect on members of the American administration.
- politician 15y ago
  Did anyone die in those attacks? Didn't the plane hit a segment of the Pentagon which was under construction and unoccupied?
  - jdminhbg 15y ago
    Yes, 125 people died at the Pentagon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks#Casualties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks#Casualties
    - politician 15y ago
      Ah I see, that area of the Pentagon was under renovation but not entirely unoccupied at the time of the attacks. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon#September_11_attacks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon#September_11_attac...).
  - bennylope 15y ago
    There is a memorial for those who died on the Pentagon's western boundary http://www.whs.mil/memorial/ http://www.whs.mil/memorial/

temphn 15y ago

What I don't understand is why we aren't being asked to look into the root causes of Breivik's terroristic impulses. Shouldn't the PM state that "Norwegian nationalism is peace" and visit a Christian church which has partially denounced the Knights Templar, to pour some oil on the troubled waters? It's very important for the Norwegian state to show that it is not at war with Christians. Not all Christian anti-immigrationists are terrorists, after all, and it would be stereotyping to make such a generalization.

jeremyswank 15y ago

why try to quantify the unquantifiable?

wccrawford 15y ago
Human nature.

kluge 15y ago

Another fact to contrast the magnitude is the fact than in 2009 there was a total of 31 homicides in Norway. This attack produced more than two years of homicide victims. http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/00/minifakta_en/en/main_03.html http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/00/minifakta_en/en/main_0...

trafficlight 15y ago
Wow. That's incredible. In Montana we have just shy of 1 million people. According to the stats there were 28 murders in 2009. Montana is a very safe state and that's still 5 times Norway's murder rate.