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Who buys Full Self Driving for 10k and thinks you can’t pay attention? The only people I ever see say that are people that don’t have it.

ajross 5y ago
Which is the most ridiculously meta argument. I have people all over the internet (amusingly never in real life) tell me to my virtual face that I clearly don't understand the product that I paid ten thousand dollars to buy, and that it doesn't do what I know damn well it does. But I do, I did, and it does. So there.
- froh 5y ago
  I dont get it. do you confirm the argument that buyers of tesla autopilot understand its an advanced driver assist system which at this time requires drivers attention? or you do not? asking becuase the message yours responds to says exactly that: people whoy actually buy autopilot do know very well that it is a system that requests and sometimes even requires driver's attention. so if you confirm that, then how is a meta argument, ridiculously so?
HWR_14 5y ago
> Who buys Full Self Driving for 10k and thinks you can’t pay attention? People who understand how English works? Like, if I spend 10k on something that is "Full Self Driving", I'm paying for the ability for it to drive itself, fully. That is to not watch the road. It's right there in the name. Otherwise call it "Kinda Self Driving" But given the accidents where people turn on FSD and go to sleep, clearly not everyone thinks that. And the better FSD is, the more crashes are avoided and the higher that percentage is.
- nickik 5y ago
  When you buy it its not just the name and a price. First of all it informs you that it is not jet complete. There is a complete list of what features it has and what features it doesn't have. You very clearly buying the right to have access to the newest features as the role out. This is very clearly spelled out when you buy it. > But given the accidents where people turn on FSD and go to sleep Do you have any actual data about people deliberately go to sleep? I have seen no numbers what so ever to confirm what you are saying.
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    > You very clearly buying the right to have access to the newest features as the role out. This is very clearly spelled out when you buy it. All I know is in my personal experience, everyone who bought FSD feels conned. Maybe you went into it eyes wide open, and if so good for you. Maybe they expected a faster rollout of features, maybe they didn't notice that part of the sales pitch at all. How big is the disclaimer when you buy FSD? I'm not sure that any disclaimer is really worth the horribly misleading name. >Do you have any actual data about people deliberately go to sleep? Well, there was the one where someone went into the back seat to sleep. And there were several other high-profile crashes where people turned on FSD and passed out at the wheel at over 100MPH. And, we only have data on when the FSD fails, and crashes ensue. Heck, we probably only have data on fatalities because the news doesn't want to get sued.
    - nickik 5y ago
      There were 17 accidents with Autopilot and non with FSD. One of those was a death where somebody fell asleep on the highway. There are literally 100s of videos of the Autopilot doing an avoiding maneuver that prevented potentially accidents, some potentially deadly. > Maybe they expected a faster rollout of features, maybe they didn't notice that part of the sales pitch at all. I think its fair to say you expected the features faster, but the claim its not spelled out is false. If people don't read what is very clearly written on the website when you buy it, then that is their fault.
- frumper 5y ago
  I understand that it's a proper name and that in English I shouldn't read too much meaning into proper names. The Big Mac isn't all that big. The Nike Dunk didn't let me dunk basketballs as a kid, but it was a cool shoe. One of my favorites was the ole Six Dollar Burger that by the end was costing you more than $6.

ajross 5y ago

Which is the most ridiculously meta argument. I have people all over the internet (amusingly never in real life) tell me to my virtual face that I clearly don't understand the product that I paid ten thousand dollars to buy, and that it doesn't do what I know damn well it does. But I do, I did, and it does. So there.

froh 5y ago
I dont get it. do you confirm the argument that buyers of tesla autopilot understand its an advanced driver assist system which at this time requires drivers attention? or you do not? asking becuase the message yours responds to says exactly that: people whoy actually buy autopilot do know very well that it is a system that requests and sometimes even requires driver's attention. so if you confirm that, then how is a meta argument, ridiculously so?

HWR_14 5y ago

> Who buys Full Self Driving for 10k and thinks you can’t pay attention? People who understand how English works? Like, if I spend 10k on something that is "Full Self Driving", I'm paying for the ability for it to drive itself, fully. That is to not watch the road. It's right there in the name. Otherwise call it "Kinda Self Driving" But given the accidents where people turn on FSD and go to sleep, clearly not everyone thinks that. And the better FSD is, the more crashes are avoided and the higher that percentage is.

nickik 5y ago
When you buy it its not just the name and a price. First of all it informs you that it is not jet complete. There is a complete list of what features it has and what features it doesn't have. You very clearly buying the right to have access to the newest features as the role out. This is very clearly spelled out when you buy it. > But given the accidents where people turn on FSD and go to sleep Do you have any actual data about people deliberately go to sleep? I have seen no numbers what so ever to confirm what you are saying.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  > You very clearly buying the right to have access to the newest features as the role out. This is very clearly spelled out when you buy it. All I know is in my personal experience, everyone who bought FSD feels conned. Maybe you went into it eyes wide open, and if so good for you. Maybe they expected a faster rollout of features, maybe they didn't notice that part of the sales pitch at all. How big is the disclaimer when you buy FSD? I'm not sure that any disclaimer is really worth the horribly misleading name. >Do you have any actual data about people deliberately go to sleep? Well, there was the one where someone went into the back seat to sleep. And there were several other high-profile crashes where people turned on FSD and passed out at the wheel at over 100MPH. And, we only have data on when the FSD fails, and crashes ensue. Heck, we probably only have data on fatalities because the news doesn't want to get sued.
  - nickik 5y ago
    There were 17 accidents with Autopilot and non with FSD. One of those was a death where somebody fell asleep on the highway. There are literally 100s of videos of the Autopilot doing an avoiding maneuver that prevented potentially accidents, some potentially deadly. > Maybe they expected a faster rollout of features, maybe they didn't notice that part of the sales pitch at all. I think its fair to say you expected the features faster, but the claim its not spelled out is false. If people don't read what is very clearly written on the website when you buy it, then that is their fault.
frumper 5y ago
I understand that it's a proper name and that in English I shouldn't read too much meaning into proper names. The Big Mac isn't all that big. The Nike Dunk didn't let me dunk basketballs as a kid, but it was a cool shoe. One of my favorites was the ole Six Dollar Burger that by the end was costing you more than $6.