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I don't use Opera and I never test it because the user base is not big enough to matter. My experience with Opera has always resulted in broken websites because

by Khao 15y ago

I don't use Opera and I never test it because the user base is not big enough to matter. My experience with Opera has always resulted in broken websites because of their poor rendering engine (in my opinion). I still can't believe the Opera browser has existed from the beginning of browsers and still exists today and their market share hasn't really gone up significantly.

iwwr 15y ago
In places like Russia or the CSI countries, Opera is the leading browser, with between 24% to 40% market share. It's not a browser you want to ignore if you want to appeal to those markets.
- Khao 15y ago
  Oh well, I never really targeted those countries. Where I worked previously we simply looked at our browser statistics and Opera was below 1% so we ditched it pretty quickly, unless one feature was really broken to the point where the vital tasks cannot be done (1% of a really huge user base still counts a little). We would often have an "if Opera" and replace our pages with a stripped-down version that worked on Opera. For every other minor bug and rendering differences, Opera was completely ignored.
pornel 15y ago
Sadly there's a vicious cycle of Opera having small marketshare, being ignored, causing it to keep small market share. Opera's biggest problem is lack of support for -webkit-* properties, they only support unprefixed ones or -o-* ;) Honestly, the engine is quite good. For Opera web standards support is a matter of life and death (they know they don't have market share to get sites being bug-compatible with them) and they put lots of effort into getting things right.
prumek 15y ago
> their poor rendering engine That's an rather misleading and ignorant thing to say.
- Khao 15y ago
  Hence why I added (in my opinion) right after. What's misleading and ignorant in stating an opinion? I didn't state that as a fact. For the few times where I had to fix things in Opera (can't remember which version it was but it's no more than 2-3 years ago) the rendering was really off compared to FF, Chrome and even IE.

by Khao 15y ago

iwwr 15y ago

In places like Russia or the CSI countries, Opera is the leading browser, with between 24% to 40% market share. It's not a browser you want to ignore if you want to appeal to those markets.

Khao 15y ago
Oh well, I never really targeted those countries. Where I worked previously we simply looked at our browser statistics and Opera was below 1% so we ditched it pretty quickly, unless one feature was really broken to the point where the vital tasks cannot be done (1% of a really huge user base still counts a little). We would often have an "if Opera" and replace our pages with a stripped-down version that worked on Opera. For every other minor bug and rendering differences, Opera was completely ignored.

pornel 15y ago

Sadly there's a vicious cycle of Opera having small marketshare, being ignored, causing it to keep small market share. Opera's biggest problem is lack of support for -webkit-* properties, they only support unprefixed ones or -o-* ;) Honestly, the engine is quite good. For Opera web standards support is a matter of life and death (they know they don't have market share to get sites being bug-compatible with them) and they put lots of effort into getting things right.

prumek 15y ago

> their poor rendering engine That's an rather misleading and ignorant thing to say.

Khao 15y ago
Hence why I added (in my opinion) right after. What's misleading and ignorant in stating an opinion? I didn't state that as a fact. For the few times where I had to fix things in Opera (can't remember which version it was but it's no more than 2-3 years ago) the rendering was really off compared to FF, Chrome and even IE.