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I mean obviously, that's why people buy them. Everybody thinks they're an incredibly safe driver and most of them privately think the safety aspect is the small

I mean obviously, that's why people buy them. Everybody thinks they're an incredibly safe driver and most of them privately think the safety aspect is the smallest reason they buy these systems. They get bought because people want to text and watch Netflix on the way to work. So I believe there's a tradeoff here. People drive to work all the time staring at their phones and only glancing up at the road every few seconds. They always have the option of turning the assist systems off and going back to distracted driving the old fashioned way. Obviously companies have no financial incentive to do this, but I posit that not making it impossible to use assist systems while completely distracted is actually a net benefit for road safety. I'd rather have Honda Sense driving a car down the interstate by itself than some dude who's only looking up when the road curves.

jasonhansel 5y ago
> People drive to work all the time staring at their phones and only glancing up at the road every few seconds. Do you know people who drive like this? Driving this way is (a) very illegal and (b) recklessly endangering other people. I doubt it's especially common, at least in most of the US.
- revscat 5y ago
  I question this as well. A citation would certainly be helpful.
- throaway46546 5y ago
  Are we even living in the same world? I see it every day.
- rotifer 5y ago
  I don't know how common it is, but people do drive like this. From a 2012 news article [1] about Rob Ford, the mayor of Toronto at the time: Reporter: "Sir, there's a picture that went out on Twitter this morning of you reading while still driving on the Gardiner [Expressway]." Ford: "Yeah, probably. I'm busy." Reporter: "So you read while driving?" Ford: "Yeah, probably, yeah. I'm try[ing] to catch up on my work and you know I keep my eyes on the road, but I'm a busy man." Later in the article: In October, Ford was accused of illegally dialing numbers on his cellphone and talking on it as he steered his gold minivan westbound along Dundas Street West near Spadina Avenue. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/busy-rob-ford-admits-to-reading-while-driving-1.1278580 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/busy-rob-ford-admits-...
- ARandomerDude 5y ago
  I once saw a guy playing the flute while he was driving in Austin, presumably with his knees. Couldn't believe it.
- Causality1 5y ago
  I've had it show up in my own family when I noticed my Plex server was in use while I knew the person using it was on the road. Needless to say that resulted in an angry discussion.
NoblePublius 5y ago
You obviously don’t own a Tesla. This isn’t possible.
- deleted 5y ago
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- karottenreibe 5y ago
  This article is contradicting you and specifically linking to this other article in the first paragraph as proof: https://jalopnik.com/consumer-reports-shows-how-easy-it-is-to-use-tesla-auto-1846739330 https://jalopnik.com/consumer-reports-shows-how-easy-it-is-t...
  - theshrike79 5y ago
    I have a very different definition of "easy" compared to Consumer Reports. > Fisher next placed a small, weighted chain on the steering wheel, to simulate the weight of a driver’s hand, and slid over into the front passenger seat without opening any of the vehicle’s doors, because that would disengage Autopilot. Using the same steering wheel dial, which controls multiple functions in addition to Autopilot’s speed, Fisher reached over and was able to accelerate the vehicle from a full stop. Yes, the good old easy method of putting a weighted chain to the steering wheel and climbing over to the passenger seat.
    - ec109685 5y ago
      Agreed, but Tesla should still have a weight sensor on seat to prevent this nonsense.
      - theshrike79 5y ago
        ...and a camera for face tracking and maybe ask some basic trivia questions from the driver randomly? :D The problem with building idiot-proof things is that idiots are way too inventive.

jasonhansel 5y ago

> People drive to work all the time staring at their phones and only glancing up at the road every few seconds. Do you know people who drive like this? Driving this way is (a) very illegal and (b) recklessly endangering other people. I doubt it's especially common, at least in most of the US.

revscat 5y ago
I question this as well. A citation would certainly be helpful.
throaway46546 5y ago
Are we even living in the same world? I see it every day.
rotifer 5y ago
I don't know how common it is, but people do drive like this. From a 2012 news article [1] about Rob Ford, the mayor of Toronto at the time: Reporter: "Sir, there's a picture that went out on Twitter this morning of you reading while still driving on the Gardiner [Expressway]." Ford: "Yeah, probably. I'm busy." Reporter: "So you read while driving?" Ford: "Yeah, probably, yeah. I'm try[ing] to catch up on my work and you know I keep my eyes on the road, but I'm a busy man." Later in the article: In October, Ford was accused of illegally dialing numbers on his cellphone and talking on it as he steered his gold minivan westbound along Dundas Street West near Spadina Avenue. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/busy-rob-ford-admits-to-reading-while-driving-1.1278580 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/busy-rob-ford-admits-...
ARandomerDude 5y ago
I once saw a guy playing the flute while he was driving in Austin, presumably with his knees. Couldn't believe it.
Causality1 5y ago
I've had it show up in my own family when I noticed my Plex server was in use while I knew the person using it was on the road. Needless to say that resulted in an angry discussion.

NoblePublius 5y ago

You obviously don’t own a Tesla. This isn’t possible.

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karottenreibe 5y ago
This article is contradicting you and specifically linking to this other article in the first paragraph as proof: https://jalopnik.com/consumer-reports-shows-how-easy-it-is-to-use-tesla-auto-1846739330 https://jalopnik.com/consumer-reports-shows-how-easy-it-is-t...
- theshrike79 5y ago
  I have a very different definition of "easy" compared to Consumer Reports. > Fisher next placed a small, weighted chain on the steering wheel, to simulate the weight of a driver’s hand, and slid over into the front passenger seat without opening any of the vehicle’s doors, because that would disengage Autopilot. Using the same steering wheel dial, which controls multiple functions in addition to Autopilot’s speed, Fisher reached over and was able to accelerate the vehicle from a full stop. Yes, the good old easy method of putting a weighted chain to the steering wheel and climbing over to the passenger seat.
  - ec109685 5y ago
    Agreed, but Tesla should still have a weight sensor on seat to prevent this nonsense.
    - theshrike79 5y ago
      ...and a camera for face tracking and maybe ask some basic trivia questions from the driver randomly? :D The problem with building idiot-proof things is that idiots are way too inventive.