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So the summary is that humans can still outsmart current technology that monitors drivers attention. Not bad for humans. But declaring Level 2 as garbage is st

by lsh123 5y ago

So the summary is that humans can still outsmart current technology that monitors drivers attention. Not bad for humans. But declaring Level 2 as garbage is stretching it. I am driving Level 2 (ACC plus lane assists plus speed sings recognition plus a few other things) for a few years now and I definitely get less tired on long drives. I recently drove coast to coast and it was more boring than tired because of the Level 2.

Texaner 5y ago
How do you cope with the temptation to distract yourself?
- lsh123 5y ago
  I plead the Fifth ;)
- suction 5y ago
  As another "level 2 driver" with the same features as OP has, I don't understand how someone could even begin to think it would be safe to "distract themselves" at this early level of automation. The temptation to stay alive wins over any temptation to distract myself. When I hear reports of accidents in Teslas because the driver "took a nap" or watched a movie or whatever, it's hard to feel empathy, because that's just reckless driving at this level. Of course Tesla is to blame when they marketed, and maybe are still marketing, level 2 capabilities as being on par with an "Auto Pilot".
  - orangepanda 5y ago
    From Waymo's tests, people stop paying attention even when they know they're being monitored.
- theshrike79 5y ago
  Because I know it's just an "assist". Basically the camera sees the white lines in the road and tries to bounce between them while keeping a safe distance to the car in front with a radar. My car also requires me to put actual pressure on the wheel at all times, I think a 10-15 second lapse is allowed, then it starts to beep. We do have the anecdotal stories of people buying RVs with "Cruise control", enabling it on a freeway and going to the back to make a cup of coffee. Then being all surprised_pikachu.jpg when they're being dug out from the wreckage.
- ec109685 5y ago
  Every thirty seconds, the Tesla demands attention. If you're distracted, it beeps like crazy and a few times of that, the system disabled itself for the drive. I also don't "feel" like it can drive itself so paying attention still is warranted. Rather than saying Level 2 is garbage, we should look at the stats and determine whether it is or is not safer than driving without automation. A perfectly attentive driver will beat automation, but as all the annual deaths while driving show, that is certainly not how universally drive.

by lsh123 5y ago

Texaner 5y ago

How do you cope with the temptation to distract yourself?

lsh123 5y ago
I plead the Fifth ;)
suction 5y ago
As another "level 2 driver" with the same features as OP has, I don't understand how someone could even begin to think it would be safe to "distract themselves" at this early level of automation. The temptation to stay alive wins over any temptation to distract myself. When I hear reports of accidents in Teslas because the driver "took a nap" or watched a movie or whatever, it's hard to feel empathy, because that's just reckless driving at this level. Of course Tesla is to blame when they marketed, and maybe are still marketing, level 2 capabilities as being on par with an "Auto Pilot".
- orangepanda 5y ago
  From Waymo's tests, people stop paying attention even when they know they're being monitored.
theshrike79 5y ago
Because I know it's just an "assist". Basically the camera sees the white lines in the road and tries to bounce between them while keeping a safe distance to the car in front with a radar. My car also requires me to put actual pressure on the wheel at all times, I think a 10-15 second lapse is allowed, then it starts to beep. We do have the anecdotal stories of people buying RVs with "Cruise control", enabling it on a freeway and going to the back to make a cup of coffee. Then being all surprised_pikachu.jpg when they're being dug out from the wreckage.
ec109685 5y ago
Every thirty seconds, the Tesla demands attention. If you're distracted, it beeps like crazy and a few times of that, the system disabled itself for the drive. I also don't "feel" like it can drive itself so paying attention still is warranted. Rather than saying Level 2 is garbage, we should look at the stats and determine whether it is or is not safer than driving without automation. A perfectly attentive driver will beat automation, but as all the annual deaths while driving show, that is certainly not how universally drive.