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No, the consensus is that they reduce severity but also protect against contracting, just at lower efficacy rate than against earlier variants. They still reduc

by vsef 5y ago

No, the consensus is that they reduce severity but also protect against contracting, just at lower efficacy rate than against earlier variants. They still reduce cases versus not having them.

meheleventyone 5y ago
You can see this happening here in Iceland where we’re going through a surge in cases thanks to Delta but almost the entire adult population is vaccinated: https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/08/12/janssen-group-most-at-risk-of-infection https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/08/12/janssen-group-most-at-ri... https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/08/12/people-told-vaccinate-to-avoid-harder-restrictions https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/08/12/people-told-vaccinate-to... > “Diagnosis of infection is three-times more likely in the non-vaccinated than the vaccinated, the likelihood of hospital admission is some four-times higher, and the frequency of intensive care is five times more common in the non-vaccinated than the vaccinated. So, we are seeing that vaccination is protecting against infection and especially against serious illness, which should be a spur to everyone to get vaccinated who has not been vaccinated so far,” Þórólfur said. Anecdotally having had COVID before isn’t necessarily protection either. I’ve a relative who has now had both one of the original strains and the Delta variant.
- sterlind 5y ago
  Maybe having gotten vaccinated, if I got Delta the serum antibodies would protect me from serious illness, and I'd gain mucosal immunity from the upper respiratory tract infection to complete the set? Not that I'm planning to get infected; I'm just looking for silver linings to soothe myself about the possibility.
- leereeves 5y ago
  It seems to me that the key phrase there is "diagnosis of infection". That's likely to be reduced by protecting against symptoms, because asymptomatic people are unlikely to be tested. Is anyone doing regular tests on large groups of people to measure the rate of asymptomatic infections?
  - meheleventyone 5y ago
    I know the UK is: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/methodologies/covid19infectionsurveypilotmethodsandfurtherinformation https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan... Iceland has been as well you can see the breakdown on where infections came from here: https://www.covid.is/data https://www.covid.is/data
    - leereeves 5y ago
      Very interesting, thank you for those links. According to the second link, 255k people have been vaccinated in Iceland, out of a population of 364k (according to Wikipedia). So about 70% of the population has been vaccinated. And according to the chart "Number of vaccinated individuals among domestic infections", about 60% of infections are among fully vaccinated people. That suggests vaccination may not reduce the chance of infection much. As does the recent spike (the largest to date) in the "14-day incidence per 100 000 inhabitants" despite 70% vaccination. Vaccination is still worthwhile, of course, to protect against severe illness, but if neither vaccination nor previous illness will prevent infection, it seems like COVID is going to be an illness we'll experience many times in our lives (hopefully with less impact once our immune systems adapt).
      - meheleventyone 5y ago
        It’s actually much higher amongst adults (>16) the remaining 30% is almost all children under 16. You need to take that into account when trying to interpret the statistics otherwise you fall into your current trap. It’s still mostly adults getting infected. I quoted the Chief Epidemiologist’s most recent statement on the facts of the matter in Iceland in the comment you initially replied to but will do so again: > “Diagnosis of infection is three-times more likely in the non-vaccinated than the vaccinated, the likelihood of hospital admission is some four-times higher, and the frequency of intensive care is five times more common in the non-vaccinated than the vaccinated. So, we are seeing that vaccination is protecting against infection and especially against serious illness, which should be a spur to everyone to get vaccinated who has not been vaccinated so far,” Þórólfur said.” Literally out of the mouth of the people gathering and using these statistics.

by vsef 5y ago

No, the consensus is that they reduce severity but also protect against contracting, just at lower efficacy rate than against earlier variants. They still reduce cases versus not having them.

meheleventyone 5y ago

You can see this happening here in Iceland where we’re going through a surge in cases thanks to Delta but almost the entire adult population is vaccinated: https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/08/12/janssen-group-most-at-risk-of-infection https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/08/12/janssen-group-most-at-ri... https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/08/12/people-told-vaccinate-to-avoid-harder-restrictions https://www.ruv.is/frett/2021/08/12/people-told-vaccinate-to... > “Diagnosis of infection is three-times more likely in the non-vaccinated than the vaccinated, the likelihood of hospital admission is some four-times higher, and the frequency of intensive care is five times more common in the non-vaccinated than the vaccinated. So, we are seeing that vaccination is protecting against infection and especially against serious illness, which should be a spur to everyone to get vaccinated who has not been vaccinated so far,” Þórólfur said. Anecdotally having had COVID before isn’t necessarily protection either. I’ve a relative who has now had both one of the original strains and the Delta variant.

sterlind 5y ago
Maybe having gotten vaccinated, if I got Delta the serum antibodies would protect me from serious illness, and I'd gain mucosal immunity from the upper respiratory tract infection to complete the set? Not that I'm planning to get infected; I'm just looking for silver linings to soothe myself about the possibility.
leereeves 5y ago
It seems to me that the key phrase there is "diagnosis of infection". That's likely to be reduced by protecting against symptoms, because asymptomatic people are unlikely to be tested. Is anyone doing regular tests on large groups of people to measure the rate of asymptomatic infections?
- meheleventyone 5y ago
  I know the UK is: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/methodologies/covid19infectionsurveypilotmethodsandfurtherinformation https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthan... Iceland has been as well you can see the breakdown on where infections came from here: https://www.covid.is/data https://www.covid.is/data
  - leereeves 5y ago
    Very interesting, thank you for those links. According to the second link, 255k people have been vaccinated in Iceland, out of a population of 364k (according to Wikipedia). So about 70% of the population has been vaccinated. And according to the chart "Number of vaccinated individuals among domestic infections", about 60% of infections are among fully vaccinated people. That suggests vaccination may not reduce the chance of infection much. As does the recent spike (the largest to date) in the "14-day incidence per 100 000 inhabitants" despite 70% vaccination. Vaccination is still worthwhile, of course, to protect against severe illness, but if neither vaccination nor previous illness will prevent infection, it seems like COVID is going to be an illness we'll experience many times in our lives (hopefully with less impact once our immune systems adapt).
    - meheleventyone 5y ago
      It’s actually much higher amongst adults (>16) the remaining 30% is almost all children under 16. You need to take that into account when trying to interpret the statistics otherwise you fall into your current trap. It’s still mostly adults getting infected. I quoted the Chief Epidemiologist’s most recent statement on the facts of the matter in Iceland in the comment you initially replied to but will do so again: > “Diagnosis of infection is three-times more likely in the non-vaccinated than the vaccinated, the likelihood of hospital admission is some four-times higher, and the frequency of intensive care is five times more common in the non-vaccinated than the vaccinated. So, we are seeing that vaccination is protecting against infection and especially against serious illness, which should be a spur to everyone to get vaccinated who has not been vaccinated so far,” Þórólfur said.” Literally out of the mouth of the people gathering and using these statistics.