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My wife and I are both fully vaccinated for covid but there is no chance in hell I’m injecting my 4 year old son with essentially an experimental drug when ther

My wife and I are both fully vaccinated for covid but there is no chance in hell I’m injecting my 4 year old son with essentially an experimental drug when there is practically zero risk to him from said illness.

senectus1 5y ago
1) I wont argue this point with you beyond this post, but I honestly think you're mischaracterizing the maturity of the technology and vaccine. 2) if you think a 4 year old is at no or little risk from the Delta Variant you're not paying enough attention. Alpha Variant I would agree. Delta is wrecking the children when it hits them and its hitting them a lot more often as well.
- angelzen 5y ago
  We've heard this about Alpha as well, hence the kids missed a year of schooling. The death risk was about 1% of the already minuscule risk of death for kids in a modern country. Could be that Delta is worse, but is there data to quantize how much worse? PS. I don't have data about kids hospitalizations and 'long covid'. I'll be very happy if someone shared such data. Ideally with a separation between Alpha and Delta, but alas nobody (looking at CDC) is providing that level of detail. To note, there is some fear mongering around 'long covid' as well: there is such a thing as 'long influenza' as well, rare enough to not be a reasonable concern. https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-... https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/causes-of-death-in-5-14-year-olds https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/causes-of-death-in-5-14-y...
  - senectus1 5y ago
    In florida its spreading like wildfire in the kids https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/08/11/pediatric-hospitalizations-increase-just-as-children-get-ready-to-go-back-to-school/ https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/08/11/pediatric-hosp... The head of one hospital said the other day said if they had a school bus full of kids in an accident, they would not be able to save them. They do not have the bed space. its full of children. Here in Australia it seems to be hitting the kids first as well. Its spreading in schools fast so we enter into lockdown to stop it. mostly with success except where they dont bloody take it seriously (cough NSW cough). I have an 11 yr old and a 13 yr old. While we have approved the vaccine for my 13 yr old we don't yet have the supply. I'm terrified what it will do to my two if they get it, my daughter gets croup at the drop of a hat and my son is mildly asthmatic.

senectus1 5y ago

1) I wont argue this point with you beyond this post, but I honestly think you're mischaracterizing the maturity of the technology and vaccine. 2) if you think a 4 year old is at no or little risk from the Delta Variant you're not paying enough attention. Alpha Variant I would agree. Delta is wrecking the children when it hits them and its hitting them a lot more often as well.

angelzen 5y ago
We've heard this about Alpha as well, hence the kids missed a year of schooling. The death risk was about 1% of the already minuscule risk of death for kids in a modern country. Could be that Delta is worse, but is there data to quantize how much worse? PS. I don't have data about kids hospitalizations and 'long covid'. I'll be very happy if someone shared such data. Ideally with a separation between Alpha and Delta, but alas nobody (looking at CDC) is providing that level of detail. To note, there is some fear mongering around 'long covid' as well: there is such a thing as 'long influenza' as well, rare enough to not be a reasonable concern. https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age https://datavisualizations.heritage.org/public-health/covid-... https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/causes-of-death-in-5-14-year-olds https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/causes-of-death-in-5-14-y...
- senectus1 5y ago
  In florida its spreading like wildfire in the kids https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/08/11/pediatric-hospitalizations-increase-just-as-children-get-ready-to-go-back-to-school/ https://www.local10.com/news/local/2021/08/11/pediatric-hosp... The head of one hospital said the other day said if they had a school bus full of kids in an accident, they would not be able to save them. They do not have the bed space. its full of children. Here in Australia it seems to be hitting the kids first as well. Its spreading in schools fast so we enter into lockdown to stop it. mostly with success except where they dont bloody take it seriously (cough NSW cough). I have an 11 yr old and a 13 yr old. While we have approved the vaccine for my 13 yr old we don't yet have the supply. I'm terrified what it will do to my two if they get it, my daughter gets croup at the drop of a hat and my son is mildly asthmatic.