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I would not say the slippery slope take doesn't make sense. It is perfectly possible that had no one cried out about this change then the next change would have

I would not say the slippery slope take doesn't make sense. It is perfectly possible that had no one cried out about this change then the next change would have been: Large government to Apple: "Please now also create a hash on each photo metadata field including date/time and location. Let us query these. AND BTW, this change must be kept secret. Thanks."

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zepto 5y ago
> Large government to Apple: "Please now also create a hash on each photo metadata field including date/time and location. Let us query these. AND BTW, this change must be kept secret. Thanks." How do you know this hasn’t already happened? What does it have to do with the CSAM technology?
- feanaro 5y ago
  How do you know the invisible pink unicorn doesn't exist? You don't, but going after the known bad things is the most effective action you can take. You certainly don't ignore known bad things just because there may be even worse unknown things.
  - zepto 5y ago
    Right, but this isn’t a bad thing. The bad things people are claiming are things they imagine could be done in the future. Exactly like an Invisible Pink Unicorn. If you go after imaginary bad things, you will never stop. That is the problem with paranoia.
robertoandred 5y ago
That’s not at all how hashes work here.
- thevagrant 5y ago
  I know that is not how it works currently, I was merely suggesting how something could change.
laurent92 5y ago
> it is possible that had no-one cried about this change, The “UK porn filter” has already been extended to all sorts of “« extremism online »” (to no effect in the capital of knife attacks, it seems — as usual invasive police rights do not equal a reduction of criminality) and it’s already being proposed to be extended to: - Online Harms - Online Safety Bill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kingdom#Planned_programmes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin...
- zepto 5y ago
  Right. My argument against the slippery slope argument is not that governments won’t make demands. It’s that if they do, this technology is irrelevant.

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zepto 5y ago

> Large government to Apple: "Please now also create a hash on each photo metadata field including date/time and location. Let us query these. AND BTW, this change must be kept secret. Thanks." How do you know this hasn’t already happened? What does it have to do with the CSAM technology?

feanaro 5y ago
How do you know the invisible pink unicorn doesn't exist? You don't, but going after the known bad things is the most effective action you can take. You certainly don't ignore known bad things just because there may be even worse unknown things.
- zepto 5y ago
  Right, but this isn’t a bad thing. The bad things people are claiming are things they imagine could be done in the future. Exactly like an Invisible Pink Unicorn. If you go after imaginary bad things, you will never stop. That is the problem with paranoia.

robertoandred 5y ago

That’s not at all how hashes work here.

thevagrant 5y ago
I know that is not how it works currently, I was merely suggesting how something could change.

laurent92 5y ago

> it is possible that had no-one cried about this change, The “UK porn filter” has already been extended to all sorts of “« extremism online »” (to no effect in the capital of knife attacks, it seems — as usual invasive police rights do not equal a reduction of criminality) and it’s already being proposed to be extended to: - Online Harms - Online Safety Bill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kingdom#Planned_programmes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_blocking_in_the_United_Kin...

zepto 5y ago
Right. My argument against the slippery slope argument is not that governments won’t make demands. It’s that if they do, this technology is irrelevant.