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I’d be surprised that a YouTube video of white noise would be flagged for a copyright violation, and yet here we are. Things may work right now in 2021. Things

I’d be surprised that a YouTube video of white noise would be flagged for a copyright violation, and yet here we are. Things may work right now in 2021. Things will always be changing. New hashes will be introduced. New code will be introduce. New laws in different countries will be introduced. Now that Apple has introduced this technology that no other phone manufacturer has, it can and will be changed to decrease privacy and increase government control. If China passes a law that states that IPhone needs to scan everyone’s phones for anti-government material, do you really think Tim Cook will say no? They already acquiesced about storing iCloud backups unencrypted on Chinese servers. And before you say that China would never do that, China and Hong Kong are hunting down the people who were videoed booing Chinese anthem in a shopping mall.

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simondotau 5y ago
> I’d be surprised that a YouTube video of white noise would be flagged for a copyright violation, and yet here we are. Speak for yourself, because that didn't surprise me at all. When your corpus of "copyrighted" material is so utterly massive and almost entirely devoid of defined rules or boundaries, this kind of error is inevitable. If anything I'm more surprised that we haven't seen even more of these kinds of matches, like the sound of generic telephone ringtones, recordings of mechanised church bells, or machinery which performs highly uniform tasks, etc. In the case of A1-categorised CSAM, the quantity of items is many orders of magnitude lower, the degree of technical curation will be orders of magnitude higher, and the thresholds for matches will be narrower. Is there a chance that the A1 corpus will have a few images that should have been classified as A2, B1 or B2? Yes. Is there a chance that it includes pictures of The Statue of Liberty or Westminster Tower? Almost certainly not.
- farmerstan 5y ago
  You completely bypassed the point of my post. It doesn't matter about what happens now. What matters is in the future. If China creates a law saying that not only should this system work for CSAM but also for objectionable material or anti-government material, is Apple really going to say no if it means billions of dollars in losses and Apple execs being targets by the CCP? Of course they won't.
  - simondotau 5y ago
    If you think it's Apple's (or Google's, or Microsoft's) role to act as the international human rights arm of the US State Department, then I have some bad news for you. China can do whatever China wants. If China wanted Apple to scan the iPhones of Chinese residents for pictures of Winnie The Pooh, they could have done that last year. They pass a law, Apple must comply or leave. They don't have a choice. Of course I don't like it. I think many things China does are awful. But at the end of the day I wouldn't stand for China exporting their morality onto me, and I'm not a hypocrite.
    - foobiekr 5y ago
      One explanation for this CSAM thing is to muddy the water about content scanning using an unassailable goal so that apple can give the Chinese and Saudi governments what they want and not get the same degree of criticism.

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simondotau 5y ago

> I’d be surprised that a YouTube video of white noise would be flagged for a copyright violation, and yet here we are. Speak for yourself, because that didn't surprise me at all. When your corpus of "copyrighted" material is so utterly massive and almost entirely devoid of defined rules or boundaries, this kind of error is inevitable. If anything I'm more surprised that we haven't seen even more of these kinds of matches, like the sound of generic telephone ringtones, recordings of mechanised church bells, or machinery which performs highly uniform tasks, etc. In the case of A1-categorised CSAM, the quantity of items is many orders of magnitude lower, the degree of technical curation will be orders of magnitude higher, and the thresholds for matches will be narrower. Is there a chance that the A1 corpus will have a few images that should have been classified as A2, B1 or B2? Yes. Is there a chance that it includes pictures of The Statue of Liberty or Westminster Tower? Almost certainly not.

farmerstan 5y ago
You completely bypassed the point of my post. It doesn't matter about what happens now. What matters is in the future. If China creates a law saying that not only should this system work for CSAM but also for objectionable material or anti-government material, is Apple really going to say no if it means billions of dollars in losses and Apple execs being targets by the CCP? Of course they won't.
- simondotau 5y ago
  If you think it's Apple's (or Google's, or Microsoft's) role to act as the international human rights arm of the US State Department, then I have some bad news for you. China can do whatever China wants. If China wanted Apple to scan the iPhones of Chinese residents for pictures of Winnie The Pooh, they could have done that last year. They pass a law, Apple must comply or leave. They don't have a choice. Of course I don't like it. I think many things China does are awful. But at the end of the day I wouldn't stand for China exporting their morality onto me, and I'm not a hypocrite.
  - foobiekr 5y ago
    One explanation for this CSAM thing is to muddy the water about content scanning using an unassailable goal so that apple can give the Chinese and Saudi governments what they want and not get the same degree of criticism.