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I doubt a judge can find apple liable for hosting encrypted data if its illegal. That would mean every e2e storage solution, or even just encryption and storing

I doubt a judge can find apple liable for hosting encrypted data if its illegal. That would mean every e2e storage solution, or even just encryption and storing files on a s3 bucket host would be liable. Apple should use it's gigantic legal arm to set good precedents for privacy in court.

closeparen 5y ago
First, there is nothing stopping a full legislative assault on end to end encryption, various such proposals have had traction recently in both the US and EU. The lawyerly phrase is “knew or should have known.” It could be argued that now that this technology is feasible, failure to apply it is complicity. Think about GDPR. Eventually homomorphic encryption is going to be at a point where “we need your data in the clear so we can do computations with it on the server” will cross from “failure to be on the bleeding edge of privacy research” to “careless and backwards.”
- calvinmorrison 5y ago
  The way to win that situation is to not play. Pull all apple products from the shelves for a month and launch a billion dollar ad campaign about what the hell our government is up too. At least try to stick to one governments. Tech companies are entering tricky waters by trying to follow laws of many nations (which conflict) simply because their customers are there
- netheril96 5y ago
  > First, there is nothing stopping a full legislative assault on end to end encryption, various such proposals have had traction recently in both the US and EU. And nothing stops Apple from fighting against the legislative assault. They have made themselves a champion of user privacy and have deep pockets to fight the fight, yet they just surrender at first attempt.
  - gotbeans 5y ago
    > champion of user privacy > surrender at first attempt The irony

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I doubt a judge can find apple liable for hosting encrypted data if its illegal. That would mean every e2e storage solution, or even just encryption and storing

by calvinmorrison 5y ago

closeparen 5y ago
First, there is nothing stopping a full legislative assault on end to end encryption, various such proposals have had traction recently in both the US and EU. The lawyerly phrase is “knew or should have known.” It could be argued that now that this technology is feasible, failure to apply it is complicity. Think about GDPR. Eventually homomorphic encryption is going to be at a point where “we need your data in the clear so we can do computations with it on the server” will cross from “failure to be on the bleeding edge of privacy research” to “careless and backwards.”
- calvinmorrison 5y ago
  The way to win that situation is to not play. Pull all apple products from the shelves for a month and launch a billion dollar ad campaign about what the hell our government is up too. At least try to stick to one governments. Tech companies are entering tricky waters by trying to follow laws of many nations (which conflict) simply because their customers are there
- netheril96 5y ago
  > First, there is nothing stopping a full legislative assault on end to end encryption, various such proposals have had traction recently in both the US and EU. And nothing stops Apple from fighting against the legislative assault. They have made themselves a champion of user privacy and have deep pockets to fight the fight, yet they just surrender at first attempt.
  - gotbeans 5y ago
    > champion of user privacy > surrender at first attempt The irony