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Yes, of course that is true. I use iCloud Photos and find this terribly creepy. If Apple must scan my photos, I'd rather they do it on their servers. I could m
by js2 5y ago
Yes, of course that is true. I use iCloud Photos and find this terribly creepy. If Apple must scan my photos, I'd rather they do it on their servers.
I could maybe understand the new implementation if Apple had announced they'd also be enabling E2E encryption of everything in iCloud, and explained it as "this is the only way we can prevent CSAM from being stored on our servers."
- AnthonyMouse 5y ago> "this is the only way we can prevent CSAM from being stored on our servers." Why is that supposed to be their responsibility? Given the scale of their business, there is effectively a certainty that people are transmitting CSAM via Comcast's network. That's no excuse for them to ban end to end encryption or start pushing out code to scan client devices. When you hail a taxi, they don't search you for drugs before letting you inside. Because they're not the police. It isn't their role to enforce the law.
- emodendroket 5y agoIf you become known as a hub for this stuff Congress probably won't see it that way.
- alwillis 5y agoWhy is that supposed to be their responsibility? They (and Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc.) are essentially mandated reporters; if CSAM is on their servers, they're required to report it. It's like how a doctor is a mandated reporter regarding physical abuse and other issues. Because they're not the police. It isn't their role to enforce the law. They're not enforcing the law; if the CSAM reaches a certain threshold, they check it out and if it's the real deal, they report to National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC); they get law enforcement involved if necessary.
- kelnos 5y ago> They (and Google, Microsoft, Facebook, etc.) are essentially mandated reporters; if CSAM is on their servers, they're required to report it. I don't think that's correct. My understanding is that if they find CSAM, they're obligated to report it (just like anyone is). I don't believe they are legally obligated to proactively look for it. (It would be a PR nightmare for them to have an unchecked CSAM problem on their services, so they do look for it and report it.) Consider that Apple likely does have CSAM on their servers, because they apparently don't scan iCloud backups right now. I don't believe they're breaking any laws, at least until and unless they find any of it and (hypothetically) don't report it
- kmeisthax 5y agoLast year Congress mulled over a bill (EARN IT Act) that would explicitly require online services to proactively search for CSAM, by allowing services to be sued by governments for failing to do so. It would also allow services to be sued for failing to provide law-enforcement back doors to encrypted data. There's also SESTA/FOSTA, already in law, that rescinded CDA 230 protection for cases involving sex trafficking. Quite honestly, my opinion is that any service not scanning for CSAM is living on borrowed time.
- alwillis 5y agoIf Apple must scan my photos, I'd rather they do it on their servers. Scanning on their servers is much less privacy preserving for users but don't fret, Dropbox, Facebook, Microsoft, etc. already scan stored photos.
- lifty 5y agoNot necessarily. The scanning implementation can be similar to what they plan on doing on your device. I don't want them to do the scanning on my phone. If shit hits the fan and I become a dissident, I would prefer to have the option to stop using iCloud, Dropbox or any other service that might enable my government or the secret police to suppress me.
- zekrioca 5y agoOne can encrypt a picture before uploading it to the aforementioned services, and as such nothing would really happen. That’s not a possibility on pictures taken on iPhones that get uploaded to iCloud.