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And all the while: Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile OBE KCSG (/ˈsævɪl/; 31 October 1926 – 29 October 2011) was an English DJ, television and radio personality w

by adolph 5y ago

And all the while: Sir James Wilson Vincent Savile OBE KCSG (/ˈsævɪl/; 31 October 1926 – 29 October 2011) was an English DJ, television and radio personality who hosted BBC shows including Top of the Pops and Jim'll Fix It. He raised an estimated £40 million for charities and, during his lifetime, was widely praised for his personal qualities and as a fund-raiser. After his death, hundreds of allegations of sexual abuse were made against him, leading the police to conclude that Savile had been a predatory sex offender—possibly one of Britain's most prolific. There had been allegations during his lifetime, but they were dismissed and accusers ignored or disbelieved; Savile took legal action against some accusers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile

Wowfunhappy 5y ago
Respectfully, I don't understand where you're going with this at all. I could point to it and say, "Wow, we need to make sure nothing like that ever happens again, no matter what the cost to personal liberty!"
- adolph 5y ago
  I can see that interpretation for sure. My impression is that folks like Savile will always be protected from CSAM by the same powers that be calling for CSAM. I'm not certain if that viewpoint is realism or cynicism, or if there is a difference.
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dmix 5y ago
There's never been any indication that there has been any more difficulty in catching these guys with better smartphone privacy features. It's easier than ever largely because the police have become better at investigations involving the internet. Asking the police to put some investigative effort in rather than a dragnet sweep of every photo on every persons device is not too much to ask. Importantly this should be the hard-capped precedent for every sort of crime. There's always a ton of other ways these people get caught without handing over preemptive access to every innocent persons phone. Same with terrorism, murder, etc.
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- adolph 5y ago
  Maybe I should add more text in support of the parent comment's point. When I read "UK and Australian governments are just two prime examples of waving terrorism and pedobear banners," my first thought was: all the while _protecting_ monsters like Savile. I see push for CSAM as an alignment of powers in the form of "The Baptist and Bootlegger." The well meaning moral campaigners are a tool for folks who seek to surveil and control. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleggers_and_Baptists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleggers_and_Baptists

by adolph 5y ago

Wowfunhappy 5y ago

Respectfully, I don't understand where you're going with this at all. I could point to it and say, "Wow, we need to make sure nothing like that ever happens again, no matter what the cost to personal liberty!"

adolph 5y ago
I can see that interpretation for sure. My impression is that folks like Savile will always be protected from CSAM by the same powers that be calling for CSAM. I'm not certain if that viewpoint is realism or cynicism, or if there is a difference.
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dmix 5y ago

There's never been any indication that there has been any more difficulty in catching these guys with better smartphone privacy features. It's easier than ever largely because the police have become better at investigations involving the internet. Asking the police to put some investigative effort in rather than a dragnet sweep of every photo on every persons device is not too much to ask. Importantly this should be the hard-capped precedent for every sort of crime. There's always a ton of other ways these people get caught without handing over preemptive access to every innocent persons phone. Same with terrorism, murder, etc.

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adolph 5y ago
Maybe I should add more text in support of the parent comment's point. When I read "UK and Australian governments are just two prime examples of waving terrorism and pedobear banners," my first thought was: all the while _protecting_ monsters like Savile. I see push for CSAM as an alignment of powers in the form of "The Baptist and Bootlegger." The well meaning moral campaigners are a tool for folks who seek to surveil and control. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleggers_and_Baptists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleggers_and_Baptists