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Thanks for coming on here. You WILL be downvoted. I'm a parent, it's also crazy to me how THIS of all things is where folks are going crazy over privacy. Lite

Thanks for coming on here. You WILL be downvoted. I'm a parent, it's also crazy to me how THIS of all things is where folks are going crazy over privacy. Literally, they will build something to track your every mouse move, scan every photo, log and sell all your browsing history and TV watching history (including big ISPs and mfgs). And this is the thing folks get outraged about? Apple can already scan your stuff on their servers (and should!). Instead of apple being charged criminally, other companies that do any kind of E2E without this may be required to do something like this. That's my prediction. We will see if these "irrefutable" claims amount to anything like a child porn charge against apple.

salawat 5y ago
Most who really care about the central hypocrisy have been banging our heads bloody about all those other surveillance issues. We're so damned concerned, because this is a textbook case of cramming through another brick in the wall of deconstructed privacy now and into the future. There is plenty of terrible arguments, but the good ones that people keep trying to handwave or ignore are the more pressing one.
pas 5y ago
> I'm a parent [...] > Apple can already scan your stuff on their servers (and should!). It's crazy to me how you fail to see that instead of everyone playing cyber cowboys and child predator indians the focus for preventing child abuse should be in real life. Criminalizing content does absolutely nothing for those kids who are abused by someone close to them. And unfortunately the vast majority (~75%) of cases happen like that. If the stats are even remotely right it's unfathomable how bad prevention and deterrence is. (Over the course of their lifetime, 28% of U.S. youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized -- https://victimsofcrime.org/child-sexual-abuse-statistics/ https://victimsofcrime.org/child-sexual-abuse-statistics/ ) This shows how bad our aggregated priorities are. War on X so far only made X worse. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- slownews45 5y ago
  Actually - sharing and having the photos out there is further and active victimization of the victims and does bother them. So shutting that down is a good use of resources.
  - pas 5y ago
    Do they get a nice feel good card from NCMEC that states that they have managed to delete this many copies that year? /s I don't doubt for a minute that victims continue to suffer from the knowledge that there's a lot of traumatizing content on the Internet, and that various services integrating with clearinghouses help. I also don't doubt that Apple is at least semi-competent and could pull this off in an okay-ish way. But all the goodwill and clout that these megacorps have would have been better spent on advocating for policies that prevent child abuse. (Neglect, physical and sexual.)

salawat 5y ago

Most who really care about the central hypocrisy have been banging our heads bloody about all those other surveillance issues. We're so damned concerned, because this is a textbook case of cramming through another brick in the wall of deconstructed privacy now and into the future. There is plenty of terrible arguments, but the good ones that people keep trying to handwave or ignore are the more pressing one.

pas 5y ago

> I'm a parent [...] > Apple can already scan your stuff on their servers (and should!). It's crazy to me how you fail to see that instead of everyone playing cyber cowboys and child predator indians the focus for preventing child abuse should be in real life. Criminalizing content does absolutely nothing for those kids who are abused by someone close to them. And unfortunately the vast majority (~75%) of cases happen like that. If the stats are even remotely right it's unfathomable how bad prevention and deterrence is. (Over the course of their lifetime, 28% of U.S. youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized -- https://victimsofcrime.org/child-sexual-abuse-statistics/ https://victimsofcrime.org/child-sexual-abuse-statistics/ ) This shows how bad our aggregated priorities are. War on X so far only made X worse. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

slownews45 5y ago
Actually - sharing and having the photos out there is further and active victimization of the victims and does bother them. So shutting that down is a good use of resources.
- pas 5y ago
  Do they get a nice feel good card from NCMEC that states that they have managed to delete this many copies that year? /s I don't doubt for a minute that victims continue to suffer from the knowledge that there's a lot of traumatizing content on the Internet, and that various services integrating with clearinghouses help. I also don't doubt that Apple is at least semi-competent and could pull this off in an okay-ish way. But all the goodwill and clout that these megacorps have would have been better spent on advocating for policies that prevent child abuse. (Neglect, physical and sexual.)