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It’s good to know that if I use the “section” glyph in an otherwise completely false analysis born of extending my experience past where I’m competent, readers
by stfuhnjfc 5y ago
It’s good to know that if I use the “section” glyph in an otherwise completely false analysis born of extending my experience past where I’m competent, readers will quickly repeat whatever it is I said as factual and “quite irrefutable”. The power of one blog post is quite something. You’re the third person I’ve seen quote that very post and go “welp, sure is a smoking gun” despite it being completely, utterly, demonstrably false. It’s make believe. That entire blog post is so incorrect that it’s barely useful as toilet paper, friend.
If the author were correct Facebook and others would have been charged with felonies already. Verification happens in good faith and requires transmission despite the exact letter of the law. The people
doing it regularly talk to NCMEC. There are evidentiary and chain of custody procedures to follow that also transmit the material. Guess we should charge computers with felonies!
It’s also fucking hysterical that the armchairs who didn’t know what CSAM stood for a week ago think that one of the most litigiously sensitive systems ever built by a corporation somehow missed criminal legal liability. You know, it’s pretty easy to overlook criminal liability when you’re building a system that is used to establish criminal liability. Totally passes the smell test. Irrefutable indeed.
You guys are off your rockers and should move on to another topic. Seriously. Every day this is discussed is another harsh reminder of (a) how few fucks the industry gives about abuse of children and (b) how everyone here digests blogs and considers themselves authoritative on horrors they’ve never once experienced. Every day this is argued on HN, particularly last night when someone said the privacy situation is “the actual abuse” and “much worse” than the rape of children, is another day I’m ashamed to have chosen this profession and work alongside you. This community welcomes the people who have built surveillance systems for every consumer activity imaginable and kids getting molested is where you draw the privacy line, huh? Can’t look for that? I’m genuinely out. Keep your industry. I’d rather manage a Taco Bell if this is the perspective of this industry, because brother, I’ve seen what they’re trying to tackle and I’m still in therapy.
There is a hypocrisy at the core of the “privacy” argument here that is fundamentally indicting not only this community, but everyone discussing this up to and including EFF. I’ve never been so disappointed in people who I used to look up to and think of as good, smart folks.
Source: I’ve built CSAM handling systems for a FAANG and written the policy for using it. The author has misinterpreted the very law he cites and overlooked two subparagraphs. But that isn’t what you want to hear.
- slownews45 5y agoThanks for coming on here. You WILL be downvoted. I'm a parent, it's also crazy to me how THIS of all things is where folks are going crazy over privacy. Literally, they will build something to track your every mouse move, scan every photo, log and sell all your browsing history and TV watching history (including big ISPs and mfgs). And this is the thing folks get outraged about? Apple can already scan your stuff on their servers (and should!). Instead of apple being charged criminally, other companies that do any kind of E2E without this may be required to do something like this. That's my prediction. We will see if these "irrefutable" claims amount to anything like a child porn charge against apple.
- salawat 5y agoMost who really care about the central hypocrisy have been banging our heads bloody about all those other surveillance issues. We're so damned concerned, because this is a textbook case of cramming through another brick in the wall of deconstructed privacy now and into the future. There is plenty of terrible arguments, but the good ones that people keep trying to handwave or ignore are the more pressing one.
- pas 5y ago> I'm a parent [...] > Apple can already scan your stuff on their servers (and should!). It's crazy to me how you fail to see that instead of everyone playing cyber cowboys and child predator indians the focus for preventing child abuse should be in real life. Criminalizing content does absolutely nothing for those kids who are abused by someone close to them. And unfortunately the vast majority (~75%) of cases happen like that. If the stats are even remotely right it's unfathomable how bad prevention and deterrence is. (Over the course of their lifetime, 28% of U.S. youth ages 14 to 17 had been sexually victimized -- https://victimsofcrime.org/child-sexual-abuse-statistics/ https://victimsofcrime.org/child-sexual-abuse-statistics/ ) This shows how bad our aggregated priorities are. War on X so far only made X worse. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- slownews45 5y agoActually - sharing and having the photos out there is further and active victimization of the victims and does bother them. So shutting that down is a good use of resources.