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EU looking into new possible side-effects of mRNA Covid-19 shots

GekkePrutser 5y ago
I got Pfizer but I'm not worried about this. If these side effects were really widespread we'd have heard of them long ago. If they were even 1 in 10.000 their cases would be overwhelming the hospitals by now. Covid is a lot nastier by the sounds of it. And much more likely in an unvaccinated population. I still fully stand by my decision to get it the very day it became available to me.
- Overton-Window 5y ago
  https://old.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/ https://old.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    Yeah I know there are side effects for many people. For me the second time it felt a bit like I ran into a door handle at the spot where I got the jab. Like a minor bruise. That was all. But this is anecdotal of course. Some people will get it worse. They always said side effects would be possible for some people. There's also a reason we all have to wait 15 minutes before leaving. The possible allergy is another anticipated side-effect. If these were serious and common however, really the hospitals would be so busy by now taking care of all of them. The number of people that got the vaccine here in europe in the space of the last few months is enormous. We started much later than the US but have caught up in a really short time. And with the exception of the UK most countries have used mostly mRNA types and very little AstraZeneca. As a result we had (and probably still have) higher numbers going through vaccination per month than the US. Even the tiniest percentage of serious complications would have been flooding the hospitals which were already at high pressure due to covid.
  - mc32 5y ago
    Like any other vaccine, I weighed the risk vs benefit and took the odds and got vaccinated. I'm for vaccination. I'm not for forcing vaccines upon a population who are hesitant for their own reasons for something that so far, is a relatively mid-level virus. If this were the plague, I'd want more stringent enforcement, given the same vaccine odds. That said, I hope Twitter et al don't knee jerk react-to this and block discussion just because it would counter their preferred narrative.
    - munk-a 5y ago
      I remember quite a few SARS and swine-flu scares over the past few decades - the disease would be quite destructive but small in scale. We aren't at "bring out your dead" levels yet but we have been living primarily in lockdowns for the past year and a half. If this doesn't qualify as a plague we should take seriously and address I'm rather afraid what would actually reach that level for you.
      - grillvogel 5y ago
        if covid was truly frightening we wouldn't need government mandates forcing people to take it seriously
        selfhoster11 5y ago
        People aren't good at estimating danger that's indirect. I can provide examples.
    - timeon 5y ago
      > Like any other vaccine or drugs in general. Just look at adverse effects of Ibuprofen. Common drug, but unlike vaccines, it is not used for whole population at once. So adverse effects even if more common are not that visible.
- lixtra 5y ago
  Some effects may take a long time to develop. Not related but a very slow biological process (prions): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27982991 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27982991
  - BurningFrog 5y ago
    You can always make a "you never know, something completely unforeseen may happe", and you will be right. Of course, people tend to only make those arguments for things they don't really want to be done.
    - artursapek 5y ago
      Not really. This has been the argument against pesticides and GMO foods for years, and it’s completely valid in hindsight.
      - yongjik 5y ago
        GMO is a good example why such concerns are not always right. (See also: cell phone radiation.)
      - nawgz 5y ago
        Are pesticides and GMO foods - two things which are reapplied on a frequent basis, relatively speaking - actually comparable to an instance in time where someone received one or two shots once? I think the most famous/deadly instances of drugs having side effects which discovered after mass deployment have generally been for medicines one ingests continuously, no? I, as an untrained and uneducated individual, find it almost impossible to imagine a drug / technology / mechanism which could be applied "once" (i.e. only one time, even if over a few doses spaced out in time) that would not present any population effects after 1y / 1billion people that would then proceed to be even within one order of magnitude as deadly as COVID. Hell, two or three even...
        effie 5y ago
        1) Prions: kuru has asymptomatic incubation period 10-13 years; 2) various carcinogens, it takes time for the cancer to develop.
- blitz_skull 5y ago
  I’m not worried about the immediate side effects. I’m 25. I’m worried about the side effects that don’t show for 20+ years. I’ve gotten COVID so I don’t feel like I need the vaccine. I have a REAL problem with mandatory vaccination for a virus I’ve already gotten and would gladly contract again if it means I get to retain my agency.
  - DanHulton 5y ago
    But you're not worried about the side effects of COVID that will develop over 20+ years? It's not like COVID is any safer or well-understood. This is a false dichotomy.
    - blitz_skull 5y ago
      I never said I wasn’t worried about the side effects of getting COVID in 20 years. I didn’t have a choice to get COVID, I DO have a choice to not get the vaccine.
      - effie 5y ago
        Exactly, somehow this simple fact eludes many vaccinators on HN.
    - artursapek 5y ago
      COVID doesn’t get to bypass all safety barriers in your body
      - GekkePrutser 5y ago
        It does, that's why it's making people sick and in many cases dead.
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  - avalys 5y ago
    You already got COVID, so you're already stuck with whatever long-term side effects there are from COVID infection and probably have some immunity already, so I understand your desire to not take additional risk by getting the vaccine. But for someone who has not yet had COVID, why would you suggest they should be uniquely concerned about hypothetical unknown long-term side effects from the vaccine, and not COVID itself?
- ren_engineer 5y ago
  Interesting study from Carnegie Mellon and Pitt found that the most vaccine "hesitant" group are people with PhDs and they are the only group that has actually increased in hesitancy to get the shot over the last few months https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/cov...
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    Hah, guess who can't read properly... No, their hesitancy didn't increase, every other group's decreased, making the hesitancy percentage among PhDs (since it remained mostly constant) to be the highest by May. To put it in 5th grader terms, if Alan had $30, Beth had $20 and Charlie had $15 at the beginning of the year, and Alan"s and Beth's savings decreased to $13 and $5 but Charlie's only decreased to $14 by May, Charlie is now the richest of the group.
  - georgeburdell 5y ago
    You're going to get downvoted into oblivion but as a PhD, who has also worked in manufacturing, I have a number of reasons to remain skeptical about the vaccines. I won't repeat them here because everyone has pretty much made up their mind one way or the other. For what it's worth, I did end up getting vaccinated recently (J&J, not mRNA-based) after quite a few unpleasant conversations with my spouse that I was endangering our children on the presumption that unvaccinated people more easily spread the virus. This assertion has been thrown into doubt, however, by the CDC's Barnstable study [1] suggesting viral numbers between vaccinated and unvaccinated are similar (among people tested). Consequently, I'm just staying home these days. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm
    - ajross 5y ago
      > This assertion has been thrown into doubt, however, by the CDC's Barnstable study [1] suggesting viral numbers between vaccinated and unvaccinated are similar I'm a little horrified that you cite your academic credentials and then misread that conclusion so badly. Viral load and infectiousness are equivalent between vaccinated and unvaccinated INFECTED PEOPLE in that study, not overall. The vaccinated are, obviously, much less likely to get sick in the first place. Your wife was right and you were wrong, basically.
- BobJackienine 5y ago
  You won't hear about it unless you had problems like I did after I did all kinds of people telling me same.
walterbell 5y ago
Statistically, these are low risk. But for those who were injured or died, that's no consolation. The question is how can we screen those small number of people who are more likely to be vaccine injured? We need more funding to study those who were injured, and to perform autopsies of those few who died soon after vaccination. You can see the list of VAERS (caveat lector) adverse events by age group, for the specific lot number on a vaccine card. One vaccine lot number can be distributed across multiple geographical regions. To run the query, replace 123456 at the end of the URL below, with the lot number from a vaccine card. More granular results can be found via the query wizard. https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&GROUP2=AGE&VAX=COVID19&VAXTYPES%5B%5D=&VAXTYPES%5B%5D=COVID-19&VAXLOT=123456 https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=... Public VAERS is about 50% US vs foreign data. There are more accurate, private databases on vaccine injuries, in the US and other countries. You can search VAERS for specific symptoms and the entire raw database can be downloaded for offline analysis.
nobody9999 5y ago
The source article states that the side effects at issue are: "Erythema multiforme, a form of allergic skin reaction; glomerulonephritis or kidney inflammation; and nephrotic syndrome, a renal disorder characterised by heavy urinary protein losses, are being studied by the safety committee of the European Medicines Agency (EMA), according to the regulator." I'm not a nephrologist, nor am I conversant in kidney disorders so I don't know off the top of my head how serious this might be. Hopefully not too serious.
- mrkramer 5y ago
  I have some kidney problems and I researched urology and nephrology a little bit and I can tell this is most probably acute kidney inflammation as a immune system's response to mRNA vaccine. It is not known to me why some people get it or not get it. Maybe it is genetics maybe there are underlying kidney conditions just like I have. Acute kidney disease can be serious if it is high grade inflammation which can damage kidneys and then you will probably be given Corticosteroid treatment to calm down the inflammation. But if it is low grade it should go away within 1 month.
kneel 5y ago
Had a slight rash down my body after the 2nd vaccination shot, it was mild and faded after a couple days. Interesting to hear that rashes are just now being reported.
- ajross 5y ago
  Not to dismiss this, but rashes are an absolutely routine allergy symptom. I don't have the Pfizer or Moderna warning sheets handy but I can't imagine they don't have this listed. It's not common, because allergic reactions aren't, but they're routine enough to be seen in a bunch of patients. And we've given billions of doses of these things now. You had a mild allergic reaction. I mean, yeah, that's a "side effect", but not in the sense that all the hysterics here are trying to evoke.
criticaltinker 5y ago
To be clear these side-effects are likely caused by the host immunological response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, as opposed to "bad" or contaminated vaccines. One reason children may be more prone to side effects such as heart inflammation is because they are likely to already have naturally acquired immunity, thus the immune response induced by a highly effective vaccine may be 'overwhelming' [5]. > More than half of the cases reported to the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) after people had received their second dose of either the Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccines were in people between the ages of 12 and 24, the CDC said. Those age groups accounted for less than 9% of doses administered. [1] > In this small case series study, myocarditis was diagnosed in 15 children after COVID-19 vaccination, most commonly in boys after the second dose. In this case series, in short-term follow-up, patients were mildly affected. The long-term risks associated with postvaccination myocarditis remain unknown. [2] > Acute myocarditis with intense systemic inflammation and atypical Kawasaki disease is an emerging severe pediatric disease following SARS-CoV-2 infection. A delayed and inappropriate host immunological response is suspected. [3] > It should be appreciated that myocardial inflammation alone by macrophages and T cells can be seen in noninfectious deaths and COVID-19 cases, but the extent of each is different, and in neither case do such findings represent clinically relevant myocarditis. [4] [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cdc-heart-inflammation-cases-ages-16-24-higher-than-expected-after-mrna-covid-19-2021-06-10/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cdc-heart-inflammation-case... [2] Association of Myocarditis With BNT162b2 Messenger RNA COVID-19 Vaccine in a Case Series of Children https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2783052 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/... [3] Acute myocarditis and multisystem inflammatory emerging disease following SARS-CoV-2 infection in critically ill children https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s13613-020-00690-8 https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10.1... [4] Pathological Evidence for SARS-CoV-2 as a Cause of Myocarditis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7816957/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7816957/ [5] Antibody responses to the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine in individuals previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01325-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01325-6
- galangalalgol 5y ago
  I wonder if there was some part of COVID-19 besides the spike protein we could have used that would have resulted in fewer problems.
mrkramer 5y ago
What are long term side effects only time can and will tell.
- munk-a 5y ago
  The primary one is not being dead from COVID - which is indeed quite a serious side effect.
  - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
    But that's also a side effect for the majority of people who contract COVID, no?
    - gregoryl 5y ago
      Disingenuous argument, no? Less people will die from the vaccines, by a very large margin.
      - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
        No. The disingenuous argument is calling not dying a "side effect from the vaccine".
        gregoryl 5y ago
        I'm confused as to what you are arguing. The concept is just an application of statistics. Less people will die from the broad application of the vaccine vs. not, so we choose to vaccinate.
        kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
        OPs argument heavily suggested the only way to not die of COVID was to get the vaccine. Which is demonstrably false.
    - syntaxing 5y ago
crsn 5y ago
https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-k...
nashashmi 5y ago
I’m not a believer in randomized control testing as I am in theoretical science. I believe side effects should be evident before administration simply based on known theory of ingredients within. It’s possible that we don’t know the ingredients well enough to formulate a theory about what could happen. Here is where RCT is useful. Otherwise what ingredients do these vax have that could possibly cause these reactions? I’m thinking the fats and lipids the mRNA is put with are aminos that cause different affects in people. The cynic inside believes they are to sterilize people. I got vax’d but still I want to know.
syntaxing 5y ago
Interesting how people are using the lack of evidence as form of conclusion on your hypothesis in the comments. Guess what? Your spouse is cheating on you. Even though there is no evidence suggesting that is the case, can your spouse provide evidence that s/he’s not cheating on you? How is this a coherent argument.
squarefoot 5y ago
I got my first shot of Comirnaty (Pfizer-Biontech) yesterday, and would do it again 100 times if needed. I will also have my 2nd dose in early September because although I got Covid (2 times, fist one symptomatic), my last positive swab was more than 6 months ago, so they assume my antibodies ratio dropped too much in the meantime to be safe with a single dose. Actually I feel safe for myself because the 2nd time I tested positive was hospitalized for nearly 2 months in a Covid ward after a road accident and was literally surrounded by people with the virus. I'm confident that should I catch it again it will be asymptomatic like the 2nd time, but what about other people? How could I live knowing that I brought it to someone because I was so stupid to avoid the vaccination? I'm shocked of the number of people I see who only think along the lines of "I'm safe, I already got it/I'm young" etc. They seem to disregard completely their effect on others. For fuck's sake, people walk around, they move, and bring what they have along with them when they meet others. Is it so hard to get that? I've seen right in front of my face people die with the virus, so I welcome the shots. About side effects, have anti vaxers ever read any medicines leaflets? One can get nasty side effects with a lot of them. I already wrote about an experience of mine, and here's another: very recently had to halve the dosage of Doxazosin I use to keep blood pressure down because during the last days I was developing an urinary tract infection, and probably will stop taking it the next days. Yes, that one is a side effect, even a pretty common one, of an otherwise normal and safe cure against high blood pressure. And by common side effects, we're talking about 1% to 10%, not one in a hundred thousands or less. Covid19 vaccines rare side effects are making the news just because there is someone ready to count them on live TV and social media for their own political gain, otherwise they would slip under the radar, just like a lot of other medicines side effects already do since forever, only to be withdrawn from the market should those side effects ratio reach a dangerous level. As for my shot, felt nothing at all during all yesterday, while today I woke up with a small bump on my left arm where I got the shot and it hurts mildly only if I touch it, otherwise aside feeling weaker than usual no problems at all.
- effie 5y ago
  > How could I live knowing that I brought it to someone because I was so stupid to avoid the vaccination? First, you would never know, the virus is out there and some people get COVID symptoms days after getting infected. Second, by vaccinating you are not preventing infecting other people. You are increasing your chances that when you get COVID it won't be very bad If you really can't sleep because you can still infect someone, I think you have to self-isolate till the end of your life. In space-suit preferably.
jleyank 5y ago
I assume people remember that damn near everything that can be injected or applied has measurable yet small side effects. They do clinical or safety trials for meds and cosmetics to measure them, and many are far higher than COVID vaccines. Many physical activities have significant yet rare risks, childbirth or pregnancy for example. But you can also buy stuff that is not tested, which means you have no real idea of the contents or risks. The goal now should be to keep the hospital beds available for other things, the reefer trucks doing other things and to remove the naive hosts so that COVID turns into a seasonal concern rather than a pandemic. This will require lots more vaccination, or just the willingness to plow under those whose immune system is too weak or too strong. And those in foreign lands are people also, and they can board planes…
BobJackienine 5y ago
I almost died from the shot and barely any doctor will entertain the notion.

I got Pfizer but I'm not worried about this. If these side effects were really widespread we'd have heard of them long ago. If they were even 1 in 10.000 their cases would be overwhelming the hospitals by now. Covid is a lot nastier by the sounds of it. And much more likely in an unvaccinated population. I still fully stand by my decision to get it the very day it became available to me.

Overton-Window 5y ago
https://old.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/ https://old.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  Yeah I know there are side effects for many people. For me the second time it felt a bit like I ran into a door handle at the spot where I got the jab. Like a minor bruise. That was all. But this is anecdotal of course. Some people will get it worse. They always said side effects would be possible for some people. There's also a reason we all have to wait 15 minutes before leaving. The possible allergy is another anticipated side-effect. If these were serious and common however, really the hospitals would be so busy by now taking care of all of them. The number of people that got the vaccine here in europe in the space of the last few months is enormous. We started much later than the US but have caught up in a really short time. And with the exception of the UK most countries have used mostly mRNA types and very little AstraZeneca. As a result we had (and probably still have) higher numbers going through vaccination per month than the US. Even the tiniest percentage of serious complications would have been flooding the hospitals which were already at high pressure due to covid.
- mc32 5y ago
  Like any other vaccine, I weighed the risk vs benefit and took the odds and got vaccinated. I'm for vaccination. I'm not for forcing vaccines upon a population who are hesitant for their own reasons for something that so far, is a relatively mid-level virus. If this were the plague, I'd want more stringent enforcement, given the same vaccine odds. That said, I hope Twitter et al don't knee jerk react-to this and block discussion just because it would counter their preferred narrative.
  - munk-a 5y ago
    I remember quite a few SARS and swine-flu scares over the past few decades - the disease would be quite destructive but small in scale. We aren't at "bring out your dead" levels yet but we have been living primarily in lockdowns for the past year and a half. If this doesn't qualify as a plague we should take seriously and address I'm rather afraid what would actually reach that level for you.
    - grillvogel 5y ago
      if covid was truly frightening we wouldn't need government mandates forcing people to take it seriously
      - selfhoster11 5y ago
        People aren't good at estimating danger that's indirect. I can provide examples.
  - timeon 5y ago
    > Like any other vaccine or drugs in general. Just look at adverse effects of Ibuprofen. Common drug, but unlike vaccines, it is not used for whole population at once. So adverse effects even if more common are not that visible.
lixtra 5y ago
Some effects may take a long time to develop. Not related but a very slow biological process (prions): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27982991 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27982991
- BurningFrog 5y ago
  You can always make a "you never know, something completely unforeseen may happe", and you will be right. Of course, people tend to only make those arguments for things they don't really want to be done.
  - artursapek 5y ago
    Not really. This has been the argument against pesticides and GMO foods for years, and it’s completely valid in hindsight.
    - yongjik 5y ago
      GMO is a good example why such concerns are not always right. (See also: cell phone radiation.)
    - nawgz 5y ago
      Are pesticides and GMO foods - two things which are reapplied on a frequent basis, relatively speaking - actually comparable to an instance in time where someone received one or two shots once? I think the most famous/deadly instances of drugs having side effects which discovered after mass deployment have generally been for medicines one ingests continuously, no? I, as an untrained and uneducated individual, find it almost impossible to imagine a drug / technology / mechanism which could be applied "once" (i.e. only one time, even if over a few doses spaced out in time) that would not present any population effects after 1y / 1billion people that would then proceed to be even within one order of magnitude as deadly as COVID. Hell, two or three even...
      - effie 5y ago
        1) Prions: kuru has asymptomatic incubation period 10-13 years; 2) various carcinogens, it takes time for the cancer to develop.
blitz_skull 5y ago
I’m not worried about the immediate side effects. I’m 25. I’m worried about the side effects that don’t show for 20+ years. I’ve gotten COVID so I don’t feel like I need the vaccine. I have a REAL problem with mandatory vaccination for a virus I’ve already gotten and would gladly contract again if it means I get to retain my agency.
- DanHulton 5y ago
  But you're not worried about the side effects of COVID that will develop over 20+ years? It's not like COVID is any safer or well-understood. This is a false dichotomy.
  - blitz_skull 5y ago
    I never said I wasn’t worried about the side effects of getting COVID in 20 years. I didn’t have a choice to get COVID, I DO have a choice to not get the vaccine.
    - effie 5y ago
      Exactly, somehow this simple fact eludes many vaccinators on HN.
  - artursapek 5y ago
    COVID doesn’t get to bypass all safety barriers in your body
    - GekkePrutser 5y ago
      It does, that's why it's making people sick and in many cases dead.
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- avalys 5y ago
  You already got COVID, so you're already stuck with whatever long-term side effects there are from COVID infection and probably have some immunity already, so I understand your desire to not take additional risk by getting the vaccine. But for someone who has not yet had COVID, why would you suggest they should be uniquely concerned about hypothetical unknown long-term side effects from the vaccine, and not COVID itself?
ren_engineer 5y ago
Interesting study from Carnegie Mellon and Pitt found that the most vaccine "hesitant" group are people with PhDs and they are the only group that has actually increased in hesitancy to get the shot over the last few months https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/covid-hesitancy.html https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2021/july/cov...
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  Hah, guess who can't read properly... No, their hesitancy didn't increase, every other group's decreased, making the hesitancy percentage among PhDs (since it remained mostly constant) to be the highest by May. To put it in 5th grader terms, if Alan had $30, Beth had $20 and Charlie had $15 at the beginning of the year, and Alan"s and Beth's savings decreased to $13 and $5 but Charlie's only decreased to $14 by May, Charlie is now the richest of the group.
- georgeburdell 5y ago
  You're going to get downvoted into oblivion but as a PhD, who has also worked in manufacturing, I have a number of reasons to remain skeptical about the vaccines. I won't repeat them here because everyone has pretty much made up their mind one way or the other. For what it's worth, I did end up getting vaccinated recently (J&J, not mRNA-based) after quite a few unpleasant conversations with my spouse that I was endangering our children on the presumption that unvaccinated people more easily spread the virus. This assertion has been thrown into doubt, however, by the CDC's Barnstable study [1] suggesting viral numbers between vaccinated and unvaccinated are similar (among people tested). Consequently, I'm just staying home these days. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm
  - ajross 5y ago
    > This assertion has been thrown into doubt, however, by the CDC's Barnstable study [1] suggesting viral numbers between vaccinated and unvaccinated are similar I'm a little horrified that you cite your academic credentials and then misread that conclusion so badly. Viral load and infectiousness are equivalent between vaccinated and unvaccinated INFECTED PEOPLE in that study, not overall. The vaccinated are, obviously, much less likely to get sick in the first place. Your wife was right and you were wrong, basically.
BobJackienine 5y ago
You won't hear about it unless you had problems like I did after I did all kinds of people telling me same.

walterbell 5y ago

Statistically, these are low risk. But for those who were injured or died, that's no consolation. The question is how can we screen those small number of people who are more likely to be vaccine injured? We need more funding to study those who were injured, and to perform autopsies of those few who died soon after vaccination. You can see the list of VAERS (caveat lector) adverse events by age group, for the specific lot number on a vaccine card. One vaccine lot number can be distributed across multiple geographical regions. To run the query, replace 123456 at the end of the URL below, with the lot number from a vaccine card. More granular results can be found via the query wizard. https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&GROUP2=AGE&VAX=COVID19&VAXTYPES%5B%5D=&VAXTYPES%5B%5D=COVID-19&VAXLOT=123456 https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=... Public VAERS is about 50% US vs foreign data. There are more accurate, private databases on vaccine injuries, in the US and other countries. You can search VAERS for specific symptoms and the entire raw database can be downloaded for offline analysis.

nobody9999 5y ago

The source article states that the side effects at issue are: "Erythema multiforme, a form of allergic skin reaction; glomerulonephritis or kidney inflammation; and nephrotic syndrome, a renal disorder characterised by heavy urinary protein losses, are being studied by the safety committee of the European Medicines Agency (EMA), according to the regulator." I'm not a nephrologist, nor am I conversant in kidney disorders so I don't know off the top of my head how serious this might be. Hopefully not too serious.

mrkramer 5y ago
I have some kidney problems and I researched urology and nephrology a little bit and I can tell this is most probably acute kidney inflammation as a immune system's response to mRNA vaccine. It is not known to me why some people get it or not get it. Maybe it is genetics maybe there are underlying kidney conditions just like I have. Acute kidney disease can be serious if it is high grade inflammation which can damage kidneys and then you will probably be given Corticosteroid treatment to calm down the inflammation. But if it is low grade it should go away within 1 month.

kneel 5y ago

Had a slight rash down my body after the 2nd vaccination shot, it was mild and faded after a couple days. Interesting to hear that rashes are just now being reported.

ajross 5y ago
Not to dismiss this, but rashes are an absolutely routine allergy symptom. I don't have the Pfizer or Moderna warning sheets handy but I can't imagine they don't have this listed. It's not common, because allergic reactions aren't, but they're routine enough to be seen in a bunch of patients. And we've given billions of doses of these things now. You had a mild allergic reaction. I mean, yeah, that's a "side effect", but not in the sense that all the hysterics here are trying to evoke.

criticaltinker 5y ago

To be clear these side-effects are likely caused by the host immunological response to the SARS-CoV-2 virus, as opposed to "bad" or contaminated vaccines. One reason children may be more prone to side effects such as heart inflammation is because they are likely to already have naturally acquired immunity, thus the immune response induced by a highly effective vaccine may be 'overwhelming' [5]. > More than half of the cases reported to the U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) after people had received their second dose of either the Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccines were in people between the ages of 12 and 24, the CDC said. Those age groups accounted for less than 9% of doses administered. [1] > In this small case series study, myocarditis was diagnosed in 15 children after COVID-19 vaccination, most commonly in boys after the second dose. In this case series, in short-term follow-up, patients were mildly affected. The long-term risks associated with postvaccination myocarditis remain unknown. [2] > Acute myocarditis with intense systemic inflammation and atypical Kawasaki disease is an emerging severe pediatric disease following SARS-CoV-2 infection. A delayed and inappropriate host immunological response is suspected. [3] > It should be appreciated that myocardial inflammation alone by macrophages and T cells can be seen in noninfectious deaths and COVID-19 cases, but the extent of each is different, and in neither case do such findings represent clinically relevant myocarditis. [4] [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cdc-heart-inflammation-cases-ages-16-24-higher-than-expected-after-mrna-covid-19-2021-06-10/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cdc-heart-inflammation-case... [2] Association of Myocarditis With BNT162b2 Messenger RNA COVID-19 Vaccine in a Case Series of Children https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2783052 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/... [3] Acute myocarditis and multisystem inflammatory emerging disease following SARS-CoV-2 infection in critically ill children https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s13613-020-00690-8 https://annalsofintensivecare.springeropen.com/articles/10.1... [4] Pathological Evidence for SARS-CoV-2 as a Cause of Myocarditis https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7816957/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7816957/ [5] Antibody responses to the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine in individuals previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01325-6 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01325-6

galangalalgol 5y ago
I wonder if there was some part of COVID-19 besides the spike protein we could have used that would have resulted in fewer problems.

mrkramer 5y ago

What are long term side effects only time can and will tell.

munk-a 5y ago
The primary one is not being dead from COVID - which is indeed quite a serious side effect.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
  But that's also a side effect for the majority of people who contract COVID, no?
  - gregoryl 5y ago
    Disingenuous argument, no? Less people will die from the vaccines, by a very large margin.
    - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
      No. The disingenuous argument is calling not dying a "side effect from the vaccine".
      - gregoryl 5y ago
        I'm confused as to what you are arguing. The concept is just an application of statistics. Less people will die from the broad application of the vaccine vs. not, so we choose to vaccinate.
        kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
        OPs argument heavily suggested the only way to not die of COVID was to get the vaccine. Which is demonstrably false.
  - syntaxing 5y ago

crsn 5y ago

https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-k...

nashashmi 5y ago

I’m not a believer in randomized control testing as I am in theoretical science. I believe side effects should be evident before administration simply based on known theory of ingredients within. It’s possible that we don’t know the ingredients well enough to formulate a theory about what could happen. Here is where RCT is useful. Otherwise what ingredients do these vax have that could possibly cause these reactions? I’m thinking the fats and lipids the mRNA is put with are aminos that cause different affects in people. The cynic inside believes they are to sterilize people. I got vax’d but still I want to know.

syntaxing 5y ago

Interesting how people are using the lack of evidence as form of conclusion on your hypothesis in the comments. Guess what? Your spouse is cheating on you. Even though there is no evidence suggesting that is the case, can your spouse provide evidence that s/he’s not cheating on you? How is this a coherent argument.

squarefoot 5y ago

I got my first shot of Comirnaty (Pfizer-Biontech) yesterday, and would do it again 100 times if needed. I will also have my 2nd dose in early September because although I got Covid (2 times, fist one symptomatic), my last positive swab was more than 6 months ago, so they assume my antibodies ratio dropped too much in the meantime to be safe with a single dose. Actually I feel safe for myself because the 2nd time I tested positive was hospitalized for nearly 2 months in a Covid ward after a road accident and was literally surrounded by people with the virus. I'm confident that should I catch it again it will be asymptomatic like the 2nd time, but what about other people? How could I live knowing that I brought it to someone because I was so stupid to avoid the vaccination? I'm shocked of the number of people I see who only think along the lines of "I'm safe, I already got it/I'm young" etc. They seem to disregard completely their effect on others. For fuck's sake, people walk around, they move, and bring what they have along with them when they meet others. Is it so hard to get that? I've seen right in front of my face people die with the virus, so I welcome the shots. About side effects, have anti vaxers ever read any medicines leaflets? One can get nasty side effects with a lot of them. I already wrote about an experience of mine, and here's another: very recently had to halve the dosage of Doxazosin I use to keep blood pressure down because during the last days I was developing an urinary tract infection, and probably will stop taking it the next days. Yes, that one is a side effect, even a pretty common one, of an otherwise normal and safe cure against high blood pressure. And by common side effects, we're talking about 1% to 10%, not one in a hundred thousands or less. Covid19 vaccines rare side effects are making the news just because there is someone ready to count them on live TV and social media for their own political gain, otherwise they would slip under the radar, just like a lot of other medicines side effects already do since forever, only to be withdrawn from the market should those side effects ratio reach a dangerous level. As for my shot, felt nothing at all during all yesterday, while today I woke up with a small bump on my left arm where I got the shot and it hurts mildly only if I touch it, otherwise aside feeling weaker than usual no problems at all.

effie 5y ago
> How could I live knowing that I brought it to someone because I was so stupid to avoid the vaccination? First, you would never know, the virus is out there and some people get COVID symptoms days after getting infected. Second, by vaccinating you are not preventing infecting other people. You are increasing your chances that when you get COVID it won't be very bad If you really can't sleep because you can still infect someone, I think you have to self-isolate till the end of your life. In space-suit preferably.

jleyank 5y ago

I assume people remember that damn near everything that can be injected or applied has measurable yet small side effects. They do clinical or safety trials for meds and cosmetics to measure them, and many are far higher than COVID vaccines. Many physical activities have significant yet rare risks, childbirth or pregnancy for example. But you can also buy stuff that is not tested, which means you have no real idea of the contents or risks. The goal now should be to keep the hospital beds available for other things, the reefer trucks doing other things and to remove the naive hosts so that COVID turns into a seasonal concern rather than a pandemic. This will require lots more vaccination, or just the willingness to plow under those whose immune system is too weak or too strong. And those in foreign lands are people also, and they can board planes…

BobJackienine 5y ago

I almost died from the shot and barely any doctor will entertain the notion.