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If icloud backup works as advertised - it backs up your device. However, if we consider the slipery slope, under pressure from a shaddow government, the conten

If icloud backup works as advertised - it backs up your device. However, if we consider the slipery slope, under pressure from a shaddow government, the contents of your phone could have been uploaded to the CIA every day, including live recordings 24 hours a day.

FabHK 5y ago
Yes, but that has always been the case. It can upload to iCloud, it could also upload to the CIA. What has changed?
- XorNot 5y ago
  Policy-wise Apple have just said "yes, we are going to use our super-admin powers to push updates to turn your phone against you". Sure, a suitably powerful authoritarian org could do lots of secret things, but that isn't what happens in real life: in real life you publicly change policy in increments and get everyone to go along with it. "Apple was actually scanning all users photos for CSAM regardless of iCloud usage due to a bug in the most recent firmware" is a headline that is guaranteed in the future.
  - FabHK 5y ago
    > is a headline that is guaranteed in the future Care to put a date on your guarantee?
- shapefrog 5y ago
  So why are people freaking out about a hash scanning system as an invasion of privacy when the grab anything from your phone contents feature has been there for 10+ years?
acdha 5y ago
> the contents of your phone could have been uploaded to the CIA every day, including live recordings 24 hours a day. You’re describing new functionality which would have to be added in many places: in addition to building that service they have to turn off the recording indicators and prompts, coexist with other apps recording, not have recording pause playback in other apps like normal, masking data usage on both the phone and your carrier’s reports, concealing the battery loss and putting in bigger hardware batteries to compensate, etc. That’s technically possible but there’s no link to this feature - that hypothetical government would need to do the same things either way. It’s similarly not Apple-specific: with that level of control the same thing would happen Android and anything else.
- shapefrog 5y ago
  But muah slippery slope. Phone has functionality to backup its contents. Phone has functinality to record things. No new functionality needed. Thus, they are backdoors built into the system with the ability to record everything and upload it to an authourtarian regime for the genocide of the human race. But we all know the real evil here is using a hashing algorithm to check images you upload to their server for known kiddie porn.

FabHK 5y ago

Yes, but that has always been the case. It can upload to iCloud, it could also upload to the CIA. What has changed?

XorNot 5y ago
Policy-wise Apple have just said "yes, we are going to use our super-admin powers to push updates to turn your phone against you". Sure, a suitably powerful authoritarian org could do lots of secret things, but that isn't what happens in real life: in real life you publicly change policy in increments and get everyone to go along with it. "Apple was actually scanning all users photos for CSAM regardless of iCloud usage due to a bug in the most recent firmware" is a headline that is guaranteed in the future.
- FabHK 5y ago
  > is a headline that is guaranteed in the future Care to put a date on your guarantee?
shapefrog 5y ago
So why are people freaking out about a hash scanning system as an invasion of privacy when the grab anything from your phone contents feature has been there for 10+ years?

acdha 5y ago

> the contents of your phone could have been uploaded to the CIA every day, including live recordings 24 hours a day. You’re describing new functionality which would have to be added in many places: in addition to building that service they have to turn off the recording indicators and prompts, coexist with other apps recording, not have recording pause playback in other apps like normal, masking data usage on both the phone and your carrier’s reports, concealing the battery loss and putting in bigger hardware batteries to compensate, etc. That’s technically possible but there’s no link to this feature - that hypothetical government would need to do the same things either way. It’s similarly not Apple-specific: with that level of control the same thing would happen Android and anything else.

shapefrog 5y ago
But muah slippery slope. Phone has functionality to backup its contents. Phone has functinality to record things. No new functionality needed. Thus, they are backdoors built into the system with the ability to record everything and upload it to an authourtarian regime for the genocide of the human race. But we all know the real evil here is using a hashing algorithm to check images you upload to their server for known kiddie porn.