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No one is arguing that demographics have to match the country, at least not anyone serious. No one is forcing certain ethnic groups to apply to tech jobs - but

No one is arguing that demographics have to match the country, at least not anyone serious. No one is forcing certain ethnic groups to apply to tech jobs - but if you have a group of people who are telling you that they would like these jobs, and there are structural disadvantages in place that make it more challenging for those people to get those jobs - why wouldn't you try to make things more equitable?

commandlinefan 5y ago
I don't see any evidence that any actual otherwise-qualified people are saying they would like these jobs but are unable to get them due to any hurdles at all - I do see advocacy groups insisting that percentages themselves are evidence that there must be such people, but aren't able to produce any examples.
- mattzito 5y ago
  I mean, there's a lot of examples, like this: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-howard-university-coders/ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-howard-university-co... and this: https://medium.com/@racheltho/how-to-make-tech-interviews-a-little-less-awful-c29f35431987 https://medium.com/@racheltho/how-to-make-tech-interviews-a-... > Triplebyte’s key advice for job seekers is to read the bios of founders and apply to companies where the CTO shares your background. Since only 3% of VC funding goes to women and less than 1% goes to Black founders, this advice will be hard to follow for applicants from underrepresented groups or with non-traditional backgrounds. Or this: https://archive.is/zA7lV https://archive.is/zA7lV or this: https://www.fullstackacademy.com/blog/coding-while-black https://www.fullstackacademy.com/blog/coding-while-black There's lots of stories about challenges in getting those jobs, and then getting paid less to do those jobs, and then feeling unwelcome. Why is it so hard to believe that it's simply harder to get a job if you're a qualified minority? How does it lessen you to acknowledge that there are systemic problems?

commandlinefan 5y ago

I don't see any evidence that any actual otherwise-qualified people are saying they would like these jobs but are unable to get them due to any hurdles at all - I do see advocacy groups insisting that percentages themselves are evidence that there must be such people, but aren't able to produce any examples.

mattzito 5y ago
I mean, there's a lot of examples, like this: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-howard-university-coders/ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-howard-university-co... and this: https://medium.com/@racheltho/how-to-make-tech-interviews-a-little-less-awful-c29f35431987 https://medium.com/@racheltho/how-to-make-tech-interviews-a-... > Triplebyte’s key advice for job seekers is to read the bios of founders and apply to companies where the CTO shares your background. Since only 3% of VC funding goes to women and less than 1% goes to Black founders, this advice will be hard to follow for applicants from underrepresented groups or with non-traditional backgrounds. Or this: https://archive.is/zA7lV https://archive.is/zA7lV or this: https://www.fullstackacademy.com/blog/coding-while-black https://www.fullstackacademy.com/blog/coding-while-black There's lots of stories about challenges in getting those jobs, and then getting paid less to do those jobs, and then feeling unwelcome. Why is it so hard to believe that it's simply harder to get a job if you're a qualified minority? How does it lessen you to acknowledge that there are systemic problems?