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>The contrast is even sharper if you consider the equity that various social justice movements seek to achieve, whereby every sub-segment of society (at least t

>The contrast is even sharper if you consider the equity that various social justice movements seek to achieve, whereby every sub-segment of society (at least those we fixate on) must be proportionally represented at every echelon of society. This is a false premise. Not all social justice movements are concerned purely with representation. The overarching response of existing power to the varied material and structural asks (like police funding reallocation, decarceration, housing and healthcare access) has been to flatten them as such. You can tell the movements co-opted by corporations and major political parties by the extent to which they ignore material conditions. >The equality of outcome pursued by ‘wokeness’ is a whole other bar to reach from mere equality of rights or opportunity. "Equality of outcome" is another disingenuous misrepresentation of what activists want. Activists want structural change, not superficial papering over of abuses of power that have been inflicted on their communities. These are unfortunately elements that this author included that really take away from the reasonable critique of the ranking and hiring system that he is subjected to as a laborer working in a modern technology company. Perhaps he needed to start with that in order to get the outrage machine sharing his article.

commandlinefan 5y ago
> Activists want structural change ... which always seems to take a form strikingly similar to communism.
- trhway 5y ago
  that is the current limitation of human logical brain - whatever good looking small social/economical improvement is stretched, in real life or just as an idea, well beyond its original context it always ends up looking like communism. Situation somewhat similar to physics - great Newton mechanics taken well beyond its original context of slow velocities ends up being a completely false theory. Wrt. the OP though - couple years ago when i checked the Google's racial make-up did very well match the racial make-up of the SAT above ~1450. A recent anecdote - a Russian guy filling new hire paperwork in a US company checked completely different box than "Caucasian" just for fun, and when round eyed HR challenged him on it his response was "Sorry, we weren't taught how to correctly divide people by race", and the HR backed off.
snovv_crash 5y ago
> Activists want structural change, not a superficial papering over of the abuse of power that has been inflicted on their communities. What is the reason for the structural change though? Because mostly I see it just to fit an ideology of "how things should be", with not much thought beyond that. I agree that many of the current systems are horribly broken, but I don't think that critical race theory or other Marxist-founded systems put us in a better place. They certainly don't have a track record of success, and I'd argue that even in their limited application in the US their effects on the general population, and their effect on perception and treatment of minorities, has been largely detrimental against their own claimed goals of equality.

commandlinefan 5y ago

> Activists want structural change ... which always seems to take a form strikingly similar to communism.

trhway 5y ago
that is the current limitation of human logical brain - whatever good looking small social/economical improvement is stretched, in real life or just as an idea, well beyond its original context it always ends up looking like communism. Situation somewhat similar to physics - great Newton mechanics taken well beyond its original context of slow velocities ends up being a completely false theory. Wrt. the OP though - couple years ago when i checked the Google's racial make-up did very well match the racial make-up of the SAT above ~1450. A recent anecdote - a Russian guy filling new hire paperwork in a US company checked completely different box than "Caucasian" just for fun, and when round eyed HR challenged him on it his response was "Sorry, we weren't taught how to correctly divide people by race", and the HR backed off.

snovv_crash 5y ago

> Activists want structural change, not a superficial papering over of the abuse of power that has been inflicted on their communities. What is the reason for the structural change though? Because mostly I see it just to fit an ideology of "how things should be", with not much thought beyond that. I agree that many of the current systems are horribly broken, but I don't think that critical race theory or other Marxist-founded systems put us in a better place. They certainly don't have a track record of success, and I'd argue that even in their limited application in the US their effects on the general population, and their effect on perception and treatment of minorities, has been largely detrimental against their own claimed goals of equality.