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If we are even the least bit creative, there are easy solutions to your problem. Just provide users with a way of "locking down" their phone to only allow the

by stale2002 5y ago

If we are even the least bit creative, there are easy solutions to your problem. Just provide users with a way of "locking down" their phone to only allow the app store that they choose, with some difficult undo process, if the user chooses that. So that way, people who want parental/child controls on their phone can have them, and those who disagree, and want to remove those protections, can choose to do so. As long as the locking down, is a choice that the user can make, and it is not forced on everyone, then we all can get what we want. Well, except Apple I guess.

llukas 5y ago
Problem is that it is incompatible to "get what we want". For people who bought into managed garden the minute it is dismantled you lose "all apps need to stick to do not track me request" you get mish-mash of everything. This is cost to give others freedom to side load. There is no way to put genie into the bottle if it is out. Only way I see it would be possible is that Apple could offer fully locked iPhones and multi-store iPhones. Then market could decide what works better. Developers, especially on HN, cannot accept there is group of customers that just doesn't want to interact them directly.
- stale2002 5y ago
  > For people who bought into managed garden There is nothing that prevents you from staying in the managed garden. Just use the Apple app store, and don't use other app stores. > Developers, especially on HN, cannot accept there is group of customers that just doesn't want to interact them directly. Then don't interact with them. Just use the Apple app store only. Problem solved.
  - llukas 5y ago
    There is nothing that prevents you from staying out and using all other platforms app stores. There are plenty.
    - stale2002 5y ago
      > There is nothing that prevents you Correct. When this bipartisan bill passes, everyone will be able to install whatever app store that they want on their iPhone, and Apple won't be able to do anything to stop it. The future is going to be pretty awesome, when the law forces Apple to make it extremely easy for people to use other app stores.
      - llukas 5y ago
        Future is already there on PC: Steam, Epic, EA and zillion other stores - it sucks. In China there are hundreds of Android stores - it also sucks.
        stale2002 5y ago
        > Future is already there on PC Ok, and when the bill passes it will be their for smartphones as well, and people will be able to install whatever app store on their android or iPhone. > it sucks Then don't install the app stores that you don't like, lol. Problem solved. Only use Apple's, if that is what you prefer.
        llukas 5y ago
        Freedom you advertise: https://www.polygon.com/2019/1/28/18200610/metro-exodus-epic-games-store-exclusive-pc https://www.polygon.com/2019/1/28/18200610/metro-exodus-epic...
        stale2002 5y ago
        > Freedom you advertise You are free to not use other app stores, correct. Don't use app stores that you don't like.
        llukas 5y ago
        Not free enough to buy a phone with only one supported app store - this option is too good so needs to be illegal. Meanwhile Librem 5 and Pinephone can provide freedom today but need cash, userbase and apps.

llukas 5y ago

Problem is that it is incompatible to "get what we want". For people who bought into managed garden the minute it is dismantled you lose "all apps need to stick to do not track me request" you get mish-mash of everything. This is cost to give others freedom to side load. There is no way to put genie into the bottle if it is out. Only way I see it would be possible is that Apple could offer fully locked iPhones and multi-store iPhones. Then market could decide what works better. Developers, especially on HN, cannot accept there is group of customers that just doesn't want to interact them directly.

stale2002 5y ago
> For people who bought into managed garden There is nothing that prevents you from staying in the managed garden. Just use the Apple app store, and don't use other app stores. > Developers, especially on HN, cannot accept there is group of customers that just doesn't want to interact them directly. Then don't interact with them. Just use the Apple app store only. Problem solved.
- llukas 5y ago
  There is nothing that prevents you from staying out and using all other platforms app stores. There are plenty.
  - stale2002 5y ago
    > There is nothing that prevents you Correct. When this bipartisan bill passes, everyone will be able to install whatever app store that they want on their iPhone, and Apple won't be able to do anything to stop it. The future is going to be pretty awesome, when the law forces Apple to make it extremely easy for people to use other app stores.
    - llukas 5y ago
      Future is already there on PC: Steam, Epic, EA and zillion other stores - it sucks. In China there are hundreds of Android stores - it also sucks.
      - stale2002 5y ago
        > Future is already there on PC Ok, and when the bill passes it will be their for smartphones as well, and people will be able to install whatever app store on their android or iPhone. > it sucks Then don't install the app stores that you don't like, lol. Problem solved. Only use Apple's, if that is what you prefer.
        llukas 5y ago
        Freedom you advertise: https://www.polygon.com/2019/1/28/18200610/metro-exodus-epic-games-store-exclusive-pc https://www.polygon.com/2019/1/28/18200610/metro-exodus-epic...
        stale2002 5y ago
        > Freedom you advertise You are free to not use other app stores, correct. Don't use app stores that you don't like.
        llukas 5y ago
        Not free enough to buy a phone with only one supported app store - this option is too good so needs to be illegal. Meanwhile Librem 5 and Pinephone can provide freedom today but need cash, userbase and apps.