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Police statement from the article: He was taken into custody and later released under investigation. Following a review of all available evidence, it was deter

Police statement from the article: He was taken into custody and later released under investigation. Following a review of all available evidence, it was determined no offences had been committed and no further action was taken So they already dropped it.

jzb 5y ago
“already dropped it” That doesn’t make it okay. Being taken into custody is something I’d consider an overreaction and frightening for a person to endure. They should’ve looked into it before moving to pick them up in the first place. If the shoe was on the other foot- an activist claiming a developer broke in to obtain info- I bet police would’ve done more research.
- filoleg 5y ago
  >That doesn’t make it okay. Being taken into custody is something I’d consider an overreaction and frightening for a person to endure. Fully agreed. And not just that, the law enforcement officers seized his personal devices (phone + laptop) for 4 weeks and went through them. Note: I am not sure if both phone+laptop were taken away for 4 weeks, but the article states that both were seized at one point, and explicitly mentions that the laptop was held for 4 weeks before being returned.
- teclordphrack2 5y ago
  Different societies have different social standards. This is assuming you are none British/English/etc.
- mattmanser 5y ago
  I personally think it's fair enough, the company probably claimed it was secure, therefore he must have hacked them. The police reacted, but when he could show it clearly wasn't secure and exposed to the public, they dropped it. And hopefully gave the company a private ticking off about wasting police time. In the UK, an arrest under reasonable suspicion gives them the right to search your property for evidence, and to be honest they had reasonable suspicion, he had private company documents. It's not like that company can cry wolf again, the police will be far more skeptical next time of their claims, having dealt with them before.
  - trhway 5y ago
    >I personally think it's fair enough, the company claimed it was secure, therefore he hacked them. The police reacted, but when he could show it clearly it is absolutely not fair. The fair would be if the company had to show before the arrest that it was minimally secure. I mean they for sure had the HTTP transaction in their own logs - like GET document, response 200. They couldn't have reasonably in good faith claim "secure" and "hacking". What the company did is bordering on the false police report, and it would be fair if there were a recourse for the falsely arrested to use against the company.
    - mattmanser 5y ago
      Firstly, all those logs can be easily falsified and you're got absolutely no clue at all what that company showed to the police to convince them. So get off your extremely manufactured high horse. Secondly, even if you could somehow wave a magic wand and know the logs were real, you're approaching this as an expert and not as a layman. A crime was reported, it was followed up, an arrest was made (maybe that means something different in America? It's just an arrest). No charges were levied, now the company that reported it look like fools in national news. They'll not be pulling this shit again.
      - trhway 5y ago
        >maybe that means something different in America? It's just an arrest an arrest record searchable by all the prospective employers (until you spend an effort/money to seal it in jurisdictions where it is possible, and even then you still would have to disclose it any time you deal with federals). Good luck finding a job anywhere where computers are present with an arrest for hacking.
        zaarn 5y ago
        I don't believe you can get arrest records for a background screening on a employee like that in the UK (or the rest of Europe). You'd need a damn good reason why you want one so thorough and last I checked, in my country that means you're going for teacher, social worker, government office, etc. And even then this wouldn't be reason for denial if the arrest is not related to your job or you can reasonably explain the matter.
- TechBro8615 5y ago
  I don’t know mate, even if there is only the potential for a dangerous crime, we need to keep these criminals off our communication infrastructure until we know for certain. Perhaps a better idea is a public/private partnership between all the big search engines, social media companies and police organizations who want to join and can pay dues. Information sharing between members of the federation would reduce crime and spread of violent content. For example, when Google links a visitor to a harmful website, they can ping the local police with basic metadata about that user (could reuse the code from GDPR export). Google can lend its AI to categorize the alerts so local police know to be on the lookout for e.g. support for “The Big Lie” or local militia groups. This way, the officers can stay aware of any potential threats to the safety of the children in their town, but maintain the ability to act proportionally and in context. Continuing with the example of a violent Google search, the alert might be a “P0”, but the police live in the same community as the suspect. If they’re not familiar with the data subject yet, they can use the alert to get a warrant for more information from Google. Or maybe they know the alert is a false alarm because the suspect is actually a government worker researching misinformation networks, so they instruct the AI to ignore alerts like it in the future. We need to be on alert. With the proliferation of encryption, protecting citizens from harmful and increasingly dangerous information has never been more critical.
  - lenkite 5y ago
    Would you still hold this opinion if all your personal computing devices are held for multiple weeks based on any arbitrary allegation and the record of your false arrest is available to all future employers ?
    - rualca 5y ago
      > Would you still hold this opinion (...) I'm sure the post reads as satire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
      - TechBro8615 5y ago
        I’m delighted to learn this is a genre of writing that even exists. Perhaps there is hope for us after all.
rualca 5y ago
> So they already dropped it. Don't you agree that's totally irrelevant? Being arrested for downloading a random doc from the internet is a real problem, so as monitoring dissidents to persecute them for any reason at all.

jzb 5y ago

“already dropped it” That doesn’t make it okay. Being taken into custody is something I’d consider an overreaction and frightening for a person to endure. They should’ve looked into it before moving to pick them up in the first place. If the shoe was on the other foot- an activist claiming a developer broke in to obtain info- I bet police would’ve done more research.

filoleg 5y ago
>That doesn’t make it okay. Being taken into custody is something I’d consider an overreaction and frightening for a person to endure. Fully agreed. And not just that, the law enforcement officers seized his personal devices (phone + laptop) for 4 weeks and went through them. Note: I am not sure if both phone+laptop were taken away for 4 weeks, but the article states that both were seized at one point, and explicitly mentions that the laptop was held for 4 weeks before being returned.
teclordphrack2 5y ago
Different societies have different social standards. This is assuming you are none British/English/etc.
mattmanser 5y ago
I personally think it's fair enough, the company probably claimed it was secure, therefore he must have hacked them. The police reacted, but when he could show it clearly wasn't secure and exposed to the public, they dropped it. And hopefully gave the company a private ticking off about wasting police time. In the UK, an arrest under reasonable suspicion gives them the right to search your property for evidence, and to be honest they had reasonable suspicion, he had private company documents. It's not like that company can cry wolf again, the police will be far more skeptical next time of their claims, having dealt with them before.
- trhway 5y ago
  >I personally think it's fair enough, the company claimed it was secure, therefore he hacked them. The police reacted, but when he could show it clearly it is absolutely not fair. The fair would be if the company had to show before the arrest that it was minimally secure. I mean they for sure had the HTTP transaction in their own logs - like GET document, response 200. They couldn't have reasonably in good faith claim "secure" and "hacking". What the company did is bordering on the false police report, and it would be fair if there were a recourse for the falsely arrested to use against the company.
  - mattmanser 5y ago
    Firstly, all those logs can be easily falsified and you're got absolutely no clue at all what that company showed to the police to convince them. So get off your extremely manufactured high horse. Secondly, even if you could somehow wave a magic wand and know the logs were real, you're approaching this as an expert and not as a layman. A crime was reported, it was followed up, an arrest was made (maybe that means something different in America? It's just an arrest). No charges were levied, now the company that reported it look like fools in national news. They'll not be pulling this shit again.
    - trhway 5y ago
      >maybe that means something different in America? It's just an arrest an arrest record searchable by all the prospective employers (until you spend an effort/money to seal it in jurisdictions where it is possible, and even then you still would have to disclose it any time you deal with federals). Good luck finding a job anywhere where computers are present with an arrest for hacking.
      - zaarn 5y ago
        I don't believe you can get arrest records for a background screening on a employee like that in the UK (or the rest of Europe). You'd need a damn good reason why you want one so thorough and last I checked, in my country that means you're going for teacher, social worker, government office, etc. And even then this wouldn't be reason for denial if the arrest is not related to your job or you can reasonably explain the matter.
TechBro8615 5y ago
I don’t know mate, even if there is only the potential for a dangerous crime, we need to keep these criminals off our communication infrastructure until we know for certain. Perhaps a better idea is a public/private partnership between all the big search engines, social media companies and police organizations who want to join and can pay dues. Information sharing between members of the federation would reduce crime and spread of violent content. For example, when Google links a visitor to a harmful website, they can ping the local police with basic metadata about that user (could reuse the code from GDPR export). Google can lend its AI to categorize the alerts so local police know to be on the lookout for e.g. support for “The Big Lie” or local militia groups. This way, the officers can stay aware of any potential threats to the safety of the children in their town, but maintain the ability to act proportionally and in context. Continuing with the example of a violent Google search, the alert might be a “P0”, but the police live in the same community as the suspect. If they’re not familiar with the data subject yet, they can use the alert to get a warrant for more information from Google. Or maybe they know the alert is a false alarm because the suspect is actually a government worker researching misinformation networks, so they instruct the AI to ignore alerts like it in the future. We need to be on alert. With the proliferation of encryption, protecting citizens from harmful and increasingly dangerous information has never been more critical.
- lenkite 5y ago
  Would you still hold this opinion if all your personal computing devices are held for multiple weeks based on any arbitrary allegation and the record of your false arrest is available to all future employers ?
  - rualca 5y ago
    > Would you still hold this opinion (...) I'm sure the post reads as satire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
    - TechBro8615 5y ago
      I’m delighted to learn this is a genre of writing that even exists. Perhaps there is hope for us after all.

rualca 5y ago

> So they already dropped it. Don't you agree that's totally irrelevant? Being arrested for downloading a random doc from the internet is a real problem, so as monitoring dissidents to persecute them for any reason at all.