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I do not. Biden was running against one of the most controversial presidents in US history, during a crisis he was thought to be handling poorly, and with wides

I do not. Biden was running against one of the most controversial presidents in US history, during a crisis he was thought to be handling poorly, and with widespread mail-in and early voting making voting more convenient than ever. A large voter turnout is not surprising, and neither is the result. Additionally, election fraud on this scale would require a massive conspiracy of people from multiple economic classes, political ideologies, government branches, and specialities. It is incredibly difficult to imagine that working.

dukeofdoom 5y ago
Hope you know that there have been proven massive election frauds in other countries, which would require conspiracies of the kind you think don't exist. I just don't understand your trust. People cheat at anything competitive. If play any competitive organized sport, you'll quickly realize that playing the ref is part of the game. The pressure to win must be so much more than when there are billions on the line. Florida a huge state was able to deliver results on time. Yet the biggest democratic counties, in the key states took days. And had massive reversals in overnight counts. And only they show this rate of reversal. Places like Detroit are notoriously corrupt. The former mayor Kirkpatrick received a 28 year sentence after running the mayor office like his own for profit business for years. Lots of people kept quiet and went along. There's also this article, which is like OJ Simpsons book. "If I did it". These people couldn't help but gloat. "The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election" https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
- tptacek 5y ago
  Different states had different rules for when absentee ballots could be counted. Pennsylvania's Republican state legislature mandated that votes not be counted until in-person e-day voting began. Florida, on the other hand, was allowed to start counting absentee ballots 22 days in advance. And 2020 was not an ordinary election; it took place in the middle of a pandemic, which radically increased the amount of absentee voting. This stuff is all pretty straightforward, but it's easy to leave details out and make it sound less so.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  > Hope you know that there have been proven massive election frauds in other countries, which would require conspiracies of the kind you think don't exist. Pulling off the fraud is the simple part, keeping it covered up for this long is the difficult to believe part. In order to do so, significant portions of the legal system, many officials related to elections, and politicians from both sides of the isle having diametrically opposed interest in the results would have to conspire to do so and I just don't buy that. > I just don't understand you trust. People cheat at anything competitive. If play any competitive organized sport, you'll quickly realize that playing the ref is part of the game. The pressure to win must be so much more than when there are billions on the line. Of course, that's why elections have the protections in place that they do. They certainly aren't perfect but it isn't like it's all based on the honor system. > Florida a huge state was able to deliver results on time. Yet the biggest democratic counties, in the key states took days. And had massive reversals in overnight counts. And only they show this rate of reversal. Sigh, there are a ton of reasons this could happen. The most obvious is that those states weren't allowed to count mail-in ballots early and had a lot of mail in ballots due to the pandemic convincing states to make them more accessible than ever. This is not what proof looks like, it's what the "pyramids were built by aliens" nonsense looks like. Ask a lot of questions, provide no answers, only implications.

dukeofdoom 5y ago

Hope you know that there have been proven massive election frauds in other countries, which would require conspiracies of the kind you think don't exist. I just don't understand your trust. People cheat at anything competitive. If play any competitive organized sport, you'll quickly realize that playing the ref is part of the game. The pressure to win must be so much more than when there are billions on the line. Florida a huge state was able to deliver results on time. Yet the biggest democratic counties, in the key states took days. And had massive reversals in overnight counts. And only they show this rate of reversal. Places like Detroit are notoriously corrupt. The former mayor Kirkpatrick received a 28 year sentence after running the mayor office like his own for profit business for years. Lots of people kept quiet and went along. There's also this article, which is like OJ Simpsons book. "If I did it". These people couldn't help but gloat. "The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election" https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

tptacek 5y ago
Different states had different rules for when absentee ballots could be counted. Pennsylvania's Republican state legislature mandated that votes not be counted until in-person e-day voting began. Florida, on the other hand, was allowed to start counting absentee ballots 22 days in advance. And 2020 was not an ordinary election; it took place in the middle of a pandemic, which radically increased the amount of absentee voting. This stuff is all pretty straightforward, but it's easy to leave details out and make it sound less so.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
> Hope you know that there have been proven massive election frauds in other countries, which would require conspiracies of the kind you think don't exist. Pulling off the fraud is the simple part, keeping it covered up for this long is the difficult to believe part. In order to do so, significant portions of the legal system, many officials related to elections, and politicians from both sides of the isle having diametrically opposed interest in the results would have to conspire to do so and I just don't buy that. > I just don't understand you trust. People cheat at anything competitive. If play any competitive organized sport, you'll quickly realize that playing the ref is part of the game. The pressure to win must be so much more than when there are billions on the line. Of course, that's why elections have the protections in place that they do. They certainly aren't perfect but it isn't like it's all based on the honor system. > Florida a huge state was able to deliver results on time. Yet the biggest democratic counties, in the key states took days. And had massive reversals in overnight counts. And only they show this rate of reversal. Sigh, there are a ton of reasons this could happen. The most obvious is that those states weren't allowed to count mail-in ballots early and had a lot of mail in ballots due to the pandemic convincing states to make them more accessible than ever. This is not what proof looks like, it's what the "pyramids were built by aliens" nonsense looks like. Ask a lot of questions, provide no answers, only implications.